My Problem With Walt Disney

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
i'm a sucker for disney cartoon movies (especially the oldies)

[picchick]

[quote name='Malachi Crunch' post='1519727' date='May 5 2008, 06:12 PM']I fear the original point of this thread has been sidetracked a little... but it's all good nonetheless. Really - I had no idea about Ebay and the like.

The point being is that the Disney product, not who they support or what companies they give money too, offers a seemingly harmless message that is entirely devoid of anything holy or of substance that is taught in the Bible. It makes up it's own message so people can dream up anything they want, and it's okay because Disney said so. An entirely secular approach to life.

I believe this so much that I place Walt Disney in my "5 Most Morally Destructive People of the 20th Century" list. Elvis, Hugh Hefner, Timothy Leary and Betty Friedan make up the rest (this list has some explaining to do, so no need to jump on it yet. Will post later).

Has anyone felt the same way?[/quote]

Yes totally...they take all that is innocent and make it icky (in so many immature words ) Just take for example, The Lion King and The Little Mermain.

The Lion King, after Pumba and Timon and Simba are looking at the stars, Simba goes and throws himself on the grass...the flowers that get thrown up spell "SEX"

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jbHw_vG37Y"]Video link[/url]

In the Little Mermaid, the priest at the end...well to put it bluntly...he has an erection.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InFLnzeQjWw"]Video Link[/url]

Not exactly so innocent, I'd say.

[kujo]

[quote name='Malachi Crunch' post='1519727' date='May 5 2008, 07:12 PM']I believe this so much that I place Walt Disney in my "5 Most Morally Destructive People of the 20th Century" list. Elvis, Hugh Hefner, Timothy Leary and Betty Friedan make up the rest (this list has some explaining to do, so no need to jump on it yet. Will post later).[/quote]

I am speechless. Elvis, Walt Disney and [i]Hugh Hefner?[/i] REALLY??!?!?!??!

[quote name='BG45' post='1519740' date='May 5 2008, 07:20 PM']I have a friend that's in Youth Ministry that found out the gay support the hard way. He was so proud when he could finally afford to take his kids to Disney...and on his first day there it was a Gay Pride Day or something? He said that they wouldn't give him his money back, that if he didn't want his kids to see gay couples making out then he should've come another time.[/quote]

They also host Night of Joy, an annual Christian music event.

[quote name='picchick' post='1519745' date='May 5 2008, 07:25 PM']Yes totally...they take all that is innocent and make it icky (in so many immature words ) Just take for example, The Lion King and The Little Mermain.

The Lion King, after Pumba and Timon and Simba are looking at the stars, Simba goes and throws himself on the grass...the flowers that get thrown up spell "SEX"

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jbHw_vG37Y"]Video link[/url]

In the Little Mermaid, the priest at the end...well to put it bluntly...he has an erection.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InFLnzeQjWw"]Video Link[/url]

Not exactly so innocent, I'd say.[/quote]

I know! And Toy Story too:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL_Eblg45Ew&feature=related"]Video Link[/url]

Edited May 5, 2008 by kujo

[picchick]

[quote name='kujo' post='1519777' date='May 5 2008, 06:57 PM']I am speechless. Elvis, Walt Disney and [i]Hugh Hefner?[/i] REALLY??!?!?!??!



They also host Night of Joy, an annual Christian music event.



I know! And Toy Story too:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL_Eblg45Ew&feature=related"]Video Link[/url][/quote]

and thank you for scaring the heck out of me....

[kujo]

[quote name='picchick' post='1519791' date='May 5 2008, 08:19 PM'] and thank you for scaring the heck out of me....[/quote]

Hahahahaha....

[Kitty]

[quote name='picchick' post='1519745' date='May 5 2008, 06:25 PM']The Lion King, after Pumba and Timon and Simba are looking at the stars, Simba goes and throws himself on the grass...the flowers that get thrown up spell "SEX"

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jbHw_vG37Y"]Video link[/url]

In the Little Mermaid, the priest at the end...well to put it bluntly...he has an erection.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InFLnzeQjWw"]Video Link[/url]

Not exactly so innocent, I'd say.[/quote]

Um, do you even check Snopes.com to see if these urban legends are even true?
[url="http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/minister.asp"]http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/minister.asp[/url]

[url="http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lionking.asp"]http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lionking.asp[/url]

Anyway, I don't see what's wrong with Disney movies. They were a big part of my childhood and I turned out fine. My family is very Catholic and they don't have a problem with them. They involve imagination in most of them because, well, the world would be as boring as cr.ap if we didn't have it. So what if a lot of their movies involve so called "magic"? Do you honestly think that will want to make kids go out and join the occult?

As for the "Gay Pride Parade" thing, there are unofficial "gay days" where large groups of gay people agree to go to Disneyland on a certain day. I don't think this is a Disney-sponsered event. There's a Goth day, too. And besides, if Disney said "no gay couples allowed", that would be discrimination against their sexual orientation.

I plan on working for Disney after I finish school. I've already been involved in video conferences with their production managers, directors and VPs, and I think they are a fantastic company and offer a lot of different job opportunities for technicians like myself.

[quote]However, keep in mind that (IMO) 100% of the Disney message is completely out of the context of God and can consequently lead to selfishness, detachment from reality, greed, moral confusion and most importantly a subtle but steady distancing from God.[/quote]

This has to be one of the silliest things I have ever heard. Give me one example where the Disney message is "out of the context of God."

One of [i]Pinocchio's[/i] messages is that you shouldn't lie and you shouldn't get involved in drinking or smoking. That scene where everyone is smoking cigars and drinking beer and they suddenly turn into donkeys is scary. I don't see how that goes against God's laws or something.

And how about [i]Beauty and the Beast?[/i] That film features Belle loving someone who isn't attractive at all. Isn't focusing on someone's heart and not their looks a good thing?

Most of the Disney movies portray murder as bad, show characters dealing with mourning, and have innocent love stories. How is this bad?

Does EVERYTHING in this world have to contain some sort of religious material?? Geez!

Edited May 6, 2008 by Kitty

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='picchick' post='1519691' date='May 5 2008, 04:39 PM']I'm sorry.... I did not mean to ruin the debate. I was just adding my two cents...

And yes...I do as much as I am able.

PP is one of the worst out there. I do not shop on Ebay. I do not use Paypal. I do not see Disney movies, go into the disney store. I have stopped buying Nike brand items. I have stopped eating at Cold Stone (my body has thanked me for that one)

I will admit it is hard. But after learning as much as I have about PP I will do my best to undermind it.[/quote]

That's all God asks us to do. Stand. Keep on living up to your convictions sister.

On the whole Disney note. I've not been a big fan since I have learned that his family has ties to. . . Guess who people . . . The Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. I think there has been some intermarrying stuff, but can you see something. Here's Disney, such a innocent family loving guy making movies with occult overtonnes, and friends with people who are controlling our economies right now, an economic system I believe is filthy, satanic, and evil!

[picchick]

[quote name='Kitty' post='1519928' date='May 5 2008, 08:39 PM']Um, do you even check Snopes.com to see if these urban legends are even true?
[url="http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/minister.asp"]http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/minister.asp[/url]

[url="http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lionking.asp"]http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lionking.asp[/url]

Anyway, I don't see what's wrong with Disney movies. They were a big part of my childhood and I turned out fine. My family is very Catholic and they don't have a problem with them. They involve imagination in most of them because, well, the world would be as boring as cr.ap if we didn't have it. So what if a lot of their movies involve so called "magic"? Do you honestly think that will want to make kids go out and join the occult?

As for the "Gay Pride Parade" thing, there are unofficial "gay days" where large groups of gay people agree to go to Disneyland on a certain day. I don't think this is a Disney-sponsered event. There's a Goth day, too. And besides, if Disney said "no gay couples allowed", that would be discrimination against their sexual orientation.

I plan on working for Disney after I finish school. I've already been involved in video conferences with their production managers, directors and VPs, and I think they are a fantastic company and offer a lot of different job opportunities for technicians like myself.



This has to be one of the silliest things I have ever heard. Give me one example where the Disney message is "out of the context of God."

One of [i]Pinocchio's[/i] messages is that you shouldn't lie and you shouldn't get involved in drinking or smoking. That scene where everyone is smoking cigars and drinking beer and they suddenly turn into donkeys is scary. I don't see how that goes against God's laws or something.

And how about [i]Beauty and the Beast?[/i] That film features Belle loving someone who isn't attractive at all. Isn't focusing on someone's heart and not their looks a good thing?

Most of the Disney movies portray murder as bad, show characters dealing with mourning, and have innocent love stories. How is this bad?

Does EVERYTHING in this world have to contain some sort of religious material?? Geez! [/quote]

I am not denying that there are some good messages in Disney movies. I am a fan of Snow White. I still dream that "someday my prince will come". I like Peter Pan and the idea of never growing up. I like Beauty and the Beast and still imagine I am Belle. I loved the idea of magic and a fairy godmother. Heck, I grew up on it. But you must admit that Disney now was not what Disney was.

However, I have seen Little Mermaid and it does have it in there. I didn't even realize that it was until someone mentioned it to me. Then when I actually paid attention...there it was. I will admit I am still skeptical of the Lion King thing. BUT I DID SEE THE LITTLE MERMAID ONE

Disney was also the one who owns ABC which aired the show "Nothing Sacred".

Religion aside, Disney does support Planned Parenthood. I am not saying that they need to discriminate against gays but they support it openly by having days dedicated to it. Look, I don't care if a gay couple goes. Cool with me except for the part that they are sponsoring a PP sponsoring company.

[Mercy me]

Disney does not in any way sponsor "gay days." I work with this company a lot and can tell you this with 100% certainty.

[picchick]

I stand corrected. Thank you.
[mod]Link removed. --Era Might[/mod]

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='picchick' post='1519960' date='May 5 2008, 08:43 PM']I am not denying that there are some good messages in Disney movies. I am a fan of Snow White. I still dream that "someday my prince will come". I like Peter Pan and the idea of never growing up. I like Beauty and the Beast and still imagine I am Belle. I loved the idea of magic and a fairy godmother. Heck, I grew up on it. But you must admit that Disney now was not what Disney was.

However, I have seen Little Mermaid and it does have it in there. I didn't even realize that it was until someone mentioned it to me. Then when I actually paid attention...there it was. I will admit I am still skeptical of the Lion King thing. BUT I DID SEE THE LITTLE MERMAID ONE

Disney was also the one who owns ABC which aired the show "Nothing Sacred".

Religion aside, Disney does support Planned Parenthood. I am not saying that they need to discriminate against gays but they support it openly by having days dedicated to it. Look, I don't care if a gay couple goes. Cool with me except for the part that they are sponsoring a PP sponsoring company.[/quote]

Meg, stick to your guns on this one.

I hate (don't hate, appreciate) to say this to everybody going, oh come on. . .

Jesus said not to be leavened by the leaven of the Pharasies, a bunch of self-righteous bigots. If you think that because 'good' triumphs over 'evil' in Disney films makes it okay to watch a movie that is filled with witchcraft, occultism and demonology, you will have to discuss that with David my father.

He said, I will set [b]no[/b] evil thing before my eyes! Supporting Disney is just plain wrong. Disney supports planned parenthood because its evil. They're movies are evil to the core, and should be avoided. Witchcraft, Telepathy, magic, all powerful Genies. . .

Think of that, Alladin, with the All Powerful Genie. Xaltar (Is that the name) wish! I want to be an all powerful Genie! Since when was something other than God all powerful?

[Kitty]

[quote name='picchick' post='1519960' date='May 5 2008, 09:43 PM']However, I have seen Little Mermaid and it does have it in there. I didn't even realize that it was until someone mentioned it to me. Then when I actually paid attention...there it was.[/quote]

It's obviously his knee in the movie, not an erection.

[quote]Religion aside, Disney does support Planned Parenthood. I am not saying that they need to discriminate against gays but they support it openly by having days dedicated to it. Look, I don't care if a gay couple goes. Cool with me except for the part that they are sponsoring a PP sponsoring company.[/quote]

That's unfortunate, but working for Disney is a serious consideration for me and if I am hired, it will be a huge first step for me in my new career. In this sort of situation I cannot simply abandon my plans because of companies they sponsor.

I also use Adobe software in this field of work, and I also have Bank of America bank account. I'm not going to switch software or banks because they support Planned Parenthood. It's just not going to happen.

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

On the matter of software and stuff.

If everybody stopped using every single piece of software who supports planned parenthood stopped using that software, none of us would be here, because Bill Gates donated 100 million dollars to planned parenthood. So, I shake my head to you for saying that.

On the matters of Jobs. Heck, my last two jobs have been the forefront of what is ailing in the world. I was once an operator who connected loved ones with their family and friends in a correctional facilities, and now, I am collecting on the debts our current economic system in the world has created.

If you didn't work for all the corporations that supported this current world system, you wouldn't work. No guff. But what you can do is make stands against it. I don't like collecting debts on people who are in debt because of the system, but if I can give them breaks, and offer settlements, then I am. My way of giving the Rothschilds the finger in the material world. . .

Think about how Communism came about in Russia. The proponents of Communism were placed in places of influence in all levels of society, and they shaped the nation. Lets take note of that, and start shaping by getting into places of influence!

Edited May 6, 2008 by JesusIsMySuperHero

[Cure of Ars]

Looks like a knee to me too.

[kujo]

[quote name='Cure of Ars' post='1520055' date='May 5 2008, 11:29 PM']Looks like a knee to me too.[/quote]

Ditto. Stoners and burnouts point this stuff out, put it on the internet and make something out of nothing. Then we assume it's true...

Not dissin' anyone on this board...just dissin' the origin of these rumors.

Edited May 6, 2008 by kujo

[picchick]

Fine, I stand corrected again. Sorry everyone

[quote name='Kitty' post='1519980' date='May 5 2008, 09:56 PM']It's obviously his knee in the movie, not an erection.



That's unfortunate, but working for Disney is a serious consideration for me and if I am hired, it will be a huge first step for me in my new career. In this sort of situation I cannot simply abandon my plans because of companies they sponsor.

I also use Adobe software in this field of work, and I also have Bank of America bank account. I'm not going to switch software or banks because they support Planned Parenthood. It's just not going to happen.[/quote]
I am not calling anyone to join me on the boat to boycott Disney or anyone else. I have Adobe programs too. I didn't realize that they supported PP though before I bought them. Boycotting is not for everyone. I encourage people to but I am not going to hate (don't hate, appreciate) anyone or thing ill of everyone because they don't. That is just not me.

I encourage it of course. But I like I said, it is not for everyone.

You do what you can.

Planned Parenthood is a very very evil organization. I will do everything I can to not support it. Disney supports it. Therefore I do not support Disney.

[picchick]

[quote name='JesusIsMySuperHero' post='1519977' date='May 5 2008, 09:53 PM']Meg, stick to your guns on this one.

I hate (don't hate, appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate), appreciate) to say this to everybody going, oh come on. . .

Jesus said not to be leavened by the leaven of the Pharasies, a bunch of self-righteous bigots. If you think that because 'good' triumphs over 'evil' in Disney films makes it okay to watch a movie that is filled with witchcraft, occultism and demonology, you will have to discuss that with David my father.

He said, I will set [b]no[/b] evil thing before my eyes! Supporting Disney is just plain wrong. Disney supports planned parenthood because its evil. They're movies are evil to the core, and should be avoided. Witchcraft, Telepathy, magic, all powerful Genies. . .

Think of that, Alladin, with the All Powerful Genie. Xaltar (Is that the name) wish! I want to be an all powerful Genie! Since when was something other than God all powerful?[/quote]

Please stop telling me what to do. I know you are trying to be helpful but please stop. As far as Aladin goes, it is based off a story. Most of Disney's movies are based off of fairy tales by classic authors. Snow White? Cinderella? Are you going to say that we do not read them?

I do not believe that they are evil to the core. After being corrected on the rumors in the movies, all I can say in not liking Disney is the fact that they support PP.

[KnightofChrist]

Where Disney Puts It's Pixie Money

Quite a few anti-catholic moves by Disney. Read up.

[url="http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Disney/Interests.html"]http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Disney/Interests.html[/url]

Edited May 6, 2008 by KnightofChrist

[MissScripture]

[quote name='picchick' post='1520183' date='May 5 2008, 11:53 PM']Please stop telling me what to do. I know you are trying to be helpful but please stop. As far as Aladin goes, it is based off a story. Most of Disney's movies are based off of fairy tales by classic authors. Snow White? Cinderella? Are you going to say that we do not read them?

I do not believe that they are evil to the core. After being corrected on the rumors in the movies, all I can say in not liking Disney is the fact that they support PP.[/quote]
And that in and of itself is not a bad reason to not support it. For one thing, when they are supposed to be this great family-friendly entity, it's sort of sinister (And dumb, when you think about it, since they're killing off their own audience...).

[picchick]

let me add too that it does sadden me that Disney has made the move to support planned parenthood. Like I said before. I always like to dream I was a "Disney Princess" like Belle and Cinderella and so forth. I don't want you all to think my heart is like stone or whatev.