What Is The Mark Of The Beast

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1524982' date='May 11 2008, 12:44 PM']Britney looks awfully occultish in you av. Evil, evil girl.[/quote]

She's not evil or occultish. She was in a mental institution, did you know that? She had some very bad influences in her life including an older man who had her hooked on multiple prescription medications. It's not nice to make fun of people who are suffering mentally and even worse to call them evil.

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1525286' date='May 11 2008, 07:25 PM']Why is your opinion authoritative? When Jesus warned of false prophets, what specifically did he mean? Is it really okay for you to take any passage of scripture and apply it to anything you want?[/quote]

Adam,

Al wanted me to answer why I can say some people have already chosen their path, and how I can say that.

So, I said, wait a minute, I can evaluate any person's walk by what fruits they produce. If someone will produce a fruit that says its okay to play God by doing something, I can take note of that, and either give them enough rope to climb out of that pit, or let them hang themselves.

For instance, I will never buy how genetic modification of babies is okay, no matter what health benefits it may give, because man has no right to genetically modify something God created in the first place! We're saying we know better than GOD!

So, I would rather not play God, thank you very much! It is personally offensive to me that people would even consider this, as I get an anger in the holy spirit that people would even consider that insanity and evil! Or, are you okay because you've been brainwashed to say it helps people!

Anybody who has chosen that it is okay has already taken the mark! I hope I am getting through to some people. If you are standing on the fence, listen to this John the Baptist, it is not okay! It is evil, and we can't, can't, can't allow that to happen. We should be just as much against this kind of playing God as those evil men who commit murder every day in abortion clinics!

Or, am I just suppose to say, hey, everybody is okay, there is no such thing as morality, and everybody can do whatever they want, just as long as they say its of God, when it obviously is not!

Edited May 12, 2008 by JesusIsMySuperHero

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1525286' date='May 11 2008, 07:25 PM']Why is your opinion authoritative?[/quote]

Other than I am not Roman Catholic, why isn't it?

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1525286' date='May 11 2008, 07:25 PM']When Jesus warned of false prophets, what specifically did he mean?[/quote]

Easy, anybody who says they are Christian, and then say nonsense!

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1525286' date='May 11 2008, 07:25 PM']Is it really okay for you to take any passage of scripture and apply it to anything you want?[/quote]

I don't.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='JesusIsMySuperHero' post='1525268' date='May 11 2008, 09:00 PM']First, thank you for the rebuke.

However, you need to remember one thing. You should be able to discern someone's fruits
There are people on this message board who say its okay for people to do genetic manipulation of babies in the womb, but I draw a line in the sand, because only God should form babies in the womb.

These people talk about it with such fevour, telling me that I might want to reconsider that opinion, because of how wonderful it is.

Honestly, I know enough about Jugglary to know that is the oldest trick in the book. They are trying to say something that takes God's place is good, which is a total falsehood! Jugglary, also know as Witchcraft, is the art of making people believe a lie is the truth. The people who are trying to brainwash you saying it is good and okay to do that, when it is evil! Nobody takes God's place when it comes to anything I'm involved in!

So what kinds of fruits do I see of the people who say it is good for people to form babies in the womb? I see them as false prophets who are corrupt and bring forth evil fruit! Don't mess with God's creation, or he will judge you!

So, in my opinion, they have already taken the mark, if they want to do that. Let them, God will judge them soon enough when he opens the fourth seal, releasing Death and Hell to claim them![/quote]

I think that it is a little extreme for you to be damning these people to Hell, the ones who (as you gave for an example) believe in the genetic manipulation of genes of children in the womb. These people are not evil and corrupt, nor are they Lucifer lovers, and certainly they are not trying to brainwash anybody. I would say that they are misguided Catholics (you say you have seen these people on the boards?) who just need to be pointed in the right direction to help them understand why such a thing is immoral. Maybe they have been misinformed about the process. Or, perhaps a fellow Catholic told them it was okay to believe such a thing, and they think it's Church teaching or approved by the Church. You don't know the circumstances.

Your writing style is familiar. I remember, in my lurking days, an individual who sounded....much like you. Damning everybody.

[Jaime]

[quote name='JesusIsMySuperHero' post='1525244' date='May 11 2008, 07:21 PM']Here's the question that will blow your mind.

There are people on this message board, under my understanding, who already have taken the mark of the beast. It's not a chip, but a life style![/quote]


for it to be a question, it needs to have a question mark somewhere.


If its a question without a question mark, that would actually blow my mind.

Then I could just make statements?

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1525489' date='May 11 2008, 10:48 PM']I think that it is a little extreme for you to be damning these people to Hell, the ones who (as you gave for an example) believe in the genetic manipulation of genes of children in the womb. These people are not evil and corrupt, nor are they Lucifer lovers, and certainly they are not trying to brainwash anybody. I would say that they are misguided Catholics (you say you have seen these people on the boards?) who just need to be pointed in the right direction to help them understand why such a thing is immoral. Maybe they have been misinformed about the process. Or, perhaps a fellow Catholic told them it was okay to believe such a thing, and they think it's Church teaching or approved by the Church. You don't know the circumstances.

Your writing style is familiar. I remember, in my lurking days, an individual who sounded....much like you. Damning everybody.[/quote]

HCF,

I am not damning anybody. I am saying, everybody has to wake up and make choices about things that are just ahead of us. There are deceivers who would say anything nowadays, they want the world their way, and are trying anything to make it happen. Remember, God has to shorten their days, because they can deceive the very elect.

I am not one of those patti-cake Christians who wont stand against evil. If people want to play God, let them. If they will listen to the spirit and stop what they are doing, then let them do that as well! I am here as a rope. If someone wants to use the rope I put out to climb out of a pit, saying, you know what, he makes a great argument against a lot of this stuff, as it does sound like men are starting to play God, which is what the first sin was all about, Satan promised we would be just like God if we ate the apple, and I am seeing it fulfilled in my life time! But, at the same time, I am giving enough rope for the deceivers to hang themselves on it!

And yes, I am someone who visited these boards in the past. But that isn't relevant.

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1525492' date='May 11 2008, 10:53 PM']for it to be a question, it needs to have a question mark somewhere.
If its a question without a question mark, that would actually blow my mind.

Then I could just make statements?[/quote]
agreed, bad wording.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='JesusIsMySuperHero' post='1525494' date='May 12 2008, 12:59 AM']HCF,

I am not damning anybody. I am saying, everybody has to wake up and make choices about things that are just ahead of us. There are deceivers who would say anything nowadays, they want the world their way, and are trying anything to make it happen. Remember, God has to shorten their days, because they can deceive the very elect.

I am not one of those patti-cake Christians who wont stand against evil. If people want to play God, let them. If they will listen to the spirit and stop what they are doing, then let them do that as well! I am here as a rope. If someone wants to use the rope I put out to climb out of a pit, saying, you know what, he makes a great argument against a lot of this stuff, as it does sound like men are starting to play God, which is what the first sin was all about, Satan promised we would be just like God if we ate the apple, and I am seeing it fulfilled in my life time! But, at the same time, I am giving enough rope for the deceivers to hang themselves on it!

And yes, I am someone who visited these boards in the past. But that isn't relevant.[/quote]

So you believe that the misguided on this forum - i.e., those who say they are practicing Catholics or Protestants who have contrary beliefs to those of basic Christianity - are purposefully trying to deceive everyone else by spreading these contrary beliefs? You can't even sit back and think that maybe these Christians had poor instruction and were taught that immorality is morality?

Well, that rope analogy was...impressively morbid of you. Whatever happened to being kind, gentle, compassionate, forgiving, and loving? You're suggesting that if a sinner (and here I am even more confused because you're included in that category of 'sinner' as am I) doesn't take hold of *your* ideologies, they might as well (metaphorically) hang themselves?

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]John 6:66

This verse describes the disciples who no longer followed Jesus because they refused to believe in the Holy Eucharist.

Those who refuse to accept this gift from Jesus are the anti-Christ. Most especially those who say they believe in Jesus and create their own "churches" teaching their own versions of the Bible and promoting their own image of Jesus, all the while denying the Eucharist...these are the false prophets of the anti-Christ, because they make it more confusing and more difficult for those who are truly seeking the Lord.[/quote]

i found that argument compelling.given the soundness of the eucharistic argument, but even the hate (don't hate, appreciate) and spite and irrationality of those against the CC and even this teaching is also indicative. if the CC is true, andor this teaching, you wouldn't expect any less.
it would be interesting what catholics would have voted had this verse been in the options. i bet they would have picked it largely. what do you all think?


i also find the man trying to be God argument compelling. of course, i still insist fixing diseases is okay genetically, as far as i know, given i don't know about mutations etc, but i don't know ethically about making super humans as i had once suggested.

i always thought the mark, was akin to the antichrist.... so denying that Christ came in the flesh is the mark of the beast, or similar orthodox interpretations.

Edited May 12, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1525489' date='May 11 2008, 10:48 PM']Your writing style is familiar. I remember, in my lurking days, an individual who sounded....much like you. Damning everybody.[/quote]

I have this person on IGNORE, thus I cannot see his posts unless someone quotes him and even then I don't read it. You guys are dealing with a person who is clearly not of sound mind, and continuing to debate with him and try to reason with him, will only get you very stressed out and exhausted.

FWIW, this is the guy who called me a witch (yes, a real witch), stated that I was a slave to the devil (referred to the devil as being my "master"), and stated that I was trying to put curses on people. He also said I "don't love Jesus" and am "not really a Catholic" and I "don't have the Holy Spirit". This was all because I said that I believe Christians can do yoga without the new age, eastern spirituality influence--just as exercise. Very, very disgusting comments he made and of course no one called him out on it. I don't frankly know why he's still allowed to post here...but whatever. Apparently, some people are fair game to be insulted at Phatmass, while others are not. He's inordinately obsessed with things relating to sin, hell, and death. I don't think it's healthy to even read his posts let alone debate with him.

He also posted elsewhere that Lucifer is still "in the heavens".

And his friend, "KnightofChrist" always manages to come rolling into discussions at the same time he does. I have him on IGNORE also.

Edited May 12, 2008 by Madame Vengier

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1525501' date='May 11 2008, 11:09 PM']So you believe that the misguided on this forum - i.e., those who say they are practicing Catholics or Protestants who have contrary beliefs to those of basic Christianity - are purposefully trying to deceive everyone else by spreading these contrary beliefs? You can't even sit back and think that maybe these Christians had poor instruction and were taught that immorality is morality?

Well, that rope analogy was...impressively morbid of you. Whatever happened to being kind, gentle, compassionate, forgiving, and loving? You're suggesting that if a sinner (and here I am even more confused because you're included in that category of 'sinner' as am I) doesn't take hold of *your* ideologies, they might as well (metaphorically) hang themselves?[/quote]

I have no ideologies. . .

I just draw the line on the sand.

BTW, I can tell when someone is just considering it, and when someone is actively promoting something. I would have those who are considering it think about it for a moment, and then changing their minds, letting the spirit testify to what I am saying. Those who promote, it will take God to humble them before they will reconsider!

[Autumn Dusk]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1525466' date='May 12 2008, 12:14 AM']She's not evil or occultish. She was in a mental institution, did you know that? She had some very bad influences in her life including an older man who had her hooked on multiple prescription medications. It's not nice to make fun of people who are suffering mentally and even worse to call them evil.[/quote]

I don't think its nice to parade a picture of a mentally ill person as your avatar. I don't know WHAT you're trying to get at by doing so but, honestly, would you want someone using your picture like that?

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1525568' date='May 12 2008, 05:49 AM']I have this person on IGNORE, thus I cannot see his posts unless someone quotes him and even then I don't read it. You guys are dealing with a person who is clearly not of sound mind, and continuing to debate with him and try to reason with him, will only get you very stressed out and exhausted.[/quote]

Deny, lie, and then crucify.

I know you will not respond to this, but you're becoming a broken record.