Unjust War As Intrinsically Evil As Abortion?

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kujo' post='1531416' date='May 17 2008, 11:39 AM']What do you think of the woman who has an abortion, then realizes how terrible and wrong it is, repents and comes back to Christ. Those are good fruits. Obviously it in [b]no way[/b] justifies the murder of her child...but it still results in good fruits.[/quote]

Ah yes indeed, however the abortion itself was intrinsically evil, the case is not so with war wether it be just or unjust.

[Apotheoun]

One may not do evil that good may come of it.

[kujo]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1531423' date='May 17 2008, 01:43 PM']Ah yes indeed, however the abortion itself was intrinsically evil, the case is not so with war wether it be just or unjust.[/quote]

Of course. I was pointing out that sometimes good things come from the worst of circumstances. I remember looking for the proverbial "silver lining" during my parents' divorce when I was a freshman in high school. You know what it ended up being? My reversion to Christ.

God can turn the ugly into the beautiful. That's the theme of one of my favorite songs called "Something Beautiful" by Jars of Clay:

"So close my eyes and hold my heart/cover me and make me something/change this something normal/into something beautiful."

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kujo' post='1531431' date='May 17 2008, 11:46 AM']Of course. I was pointing out that sometimes good things come from the worst of circumstances. I remember looking for the proverbial "silver lining" during my parents' divorce when I was a freshman in high school. You know what it ended up being? My reversion to Christ.

God can turn the ugly into the beautiful. That's the theme of one of my favorite songs called "Something Beautiful" by Jars of Clay:

"So close my eyes and hold my heart/cover me and make me something/change this something normal/into something beautiful."[/quote]


The Cruxifixction and death of Christ is an perfect example of how God can take something bad, Deocide and defeat evil with that act. But yes as Apotheoun points out and so others do not confuse what I say, we can no do evil so good can come from it.

Edited May 17, 2008 by KnightofChrist

[kujo]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1531439' date='May 17 2008, 01:50 PM']The Cruxifixction and death of Christ is an perfect example of how God can take something bad, Deocide and defeat evil with that act.[/quote]

Amen.

[Apotheoun]

Men of good will can disagree about whether or not a particular war is just, but as far as the immoral nature of abortion is concerned there can be no disagreement

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1531446' date='May 17 2008, 11:53 AM']Men of good will can disagree about whether or not a particular war is just, but as far as the immoral nature of abortion is concerned there can be no disagreement[/quote]

Amen, brother.

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

All I have to say to this thread is this,

The last lines for the Kingdom were,

Jason Bateman to Jamie Fox - what did you whisper in Jennifer Garner's eart before we left?
Jamie Fox - don't worry, we're going to kill them all.

Muslim mother to her child - what did your grandfather whisper in your ear before he died?
child - don't worry, we're going to kill them all.

As were in the days of Noah, so too shall be the coming of the son of man. The entire world was filled with violence then, and its filled with violence now, because evil, Lucifer loving Luciferians are in control, and they hate (don't hate, appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate), appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate), appreciate), appreciate) each other so much, and want to control the world so much, they will do anything to continue that dominance!

This war is ungodly. Abortion is ungodly. Death and destruction is ungodly, and its just messed up because the wrong people are in control right now - i.e. the Rothschilds, who control our nations, period, end of story!

Guess what, the Rothschilds are for both the war and abortion. . .

Edited May 17, 2008 by JesusIsMySuperHero

[CatherineM]

JIMSH-I'm surprised that someone who is as obviously intelligent as your posts would lead me to believe would fall for the fallacy of the Trilateral Commission. Somewhere along the road you have been gravely misled. There is obvious evil in the world, and it is certainly easier, and perhaps comforting, to be able to blame that evil on shadowy worldwide conspiracies, when in fact the evil is in our hearts. To acknowledge that is scary, but necessary.

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1531658' date='May 17 2008, 04:46 PM']JIMSH-I'm surprised that someone who is as obviously intelligent as your posts would lead me to believe would fall for the fallacy of the Trilateral Commission. Somewhere along the road you have been gravely misled. There is obvious evil in the world, and it is certainly easier, and perhaps comforting, to be able to blame that evil on shadowy worldwide conspiracies, when in fact the evil is in our hearts. To acknowledge that is scary, but necessary.[/quote]

Catherine, there is evil in everybody's heart, true, and I have faced my evil, and the evil of my life is always before me.

I consider about 1/2 of the world untrustworthy, but there are those who have more control over the world than others right now.

The way I think of it is this - the Rothschilds fortune is estimated about about 600 trillion dollars right now. That is enough to lidiqudate and give about 70-90 thousand dollars to each person in the world. . .

To think they don't have power to sway people not to do what they ask is really naive, sorry to say.

I also think about three American Presidents when I say this.

Abraham Lincoln told members of the Rothschild family to get out of his office when they told him they could finance his war against the south. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy tried to have the CIA dismantle after the Bay of Pigs incident, because he didn't want to be the President that would be responsible for WWIII. The CIA directors are almost always friends with the Rothschild family. He ended up being assassinated!

Ronald Reagan (Who is not the Anti-Christ by any means), created a commission to look where Income Tax goes, and found it goes off to pay off loans from the privately owned Federal Reserve, the brain child of the Rothschilds, and someone tried to assassinate him.

Hmmmmm, Here's three presidents who did something that made the Rothschilds angry, and two were assassinated, and one almost was. They were [b]probably[/b] involved! Don't be naive, that family is evil and probably kills presidents and other world leaders as it fits their goals!

Edited May 17, 2008 by JesusIsMySuperHero

[XIX]

They are both intrinsically evil. It's just that abortion is a sin that carries more gravity.


JMO.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='dust (the ultra-handsome' post='1530321' date='May 16 2008, 01:01 PM'][url="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/catholicamerica/2008/05/donahue_vs_hagee_shenanigans.html"]http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith...henanigans.html[/url]

In the above article, even though I agree with some of the points he makes about the Catholic League, the author claims, ""Please note that an unjust war is just as intrinsically evil as an abortion."

My initial reaction, without diving into church documents, is that I don't agree with that. Do you?[/quote]


This statement implies that the war in Iraq was unjust... but it was not unjust. Civil leaders are responsible for the common good and they are the ones who must decide on the just war criteria (as the Church teaches). Bush did this. Saddam was supporting terrorism openly, since he was supporting it so openly, only a fool would think that he was not supporting it more in secret. Saddam had and was working toward more wmds.

The war is over and we won... now we are helping the Iraqi's from Iran supported terrorism... helping them stablize their country... building hospitals and schools for them... and training their army.


Unjust war is not as evil as abortion... Babies are innocent. No adult is innocent.


God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited May 18, 2008 by ironmonk

[Justin86]

[quote name='Cure of Ars' post='1530771' date='May 17 2008, 09:30 AM']Probably depends on the unjust war. Nuking whole nations just for giggles has to be worse.[/quote]
What about waterboarding your roommate just for giggles? I do that every morning after my cigarette, and listening to the Jack Bauer quotes I have on tape.

"4cc's you will feel pain I can not begin to describe. 8cc's I run the risk of inducing cardiac arrest. DON'T MAKE ME DO THIS!"

"Now we're gonna have some fun."

[Alycin]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1532015' date='May 17 2008, 11:42 PM']What about waterboarding your roommate just for giggles? I do that every morning after my cigarette, and listening to the Jack Bauer quotes I have on tape.

"4cc's you will feel pain I can not begin to describe. 8cc's I run the risk of inducing cardiac arrest. DON'T MAKE ME DO THIS!"

"Now we're gonna have some fun."

[/quote]
I hear waterboarding is quite therapeutic.

[Alycin]

[quote name='ironmonk' post='1531880' date='May 17 2008, 09:43 PM']Unjust war is not as evil as abortion... Babies are innocent. No adult is innocent.
God Bless,
ironmonk[/quote]


I hope you're not implying that only adults die in wars.

[kujo]

[quote name='JesusIsMySuperHero' post='1531705' date='May 17 2008, 07:27 PM']Catherine, there is evil in everybody's heart, true, and I have faced my evil, and the evil of my life is always before me.

I consider about 1/2 of the world untrustworthy, but there are those who have more control over the world than others right now.

The way I think of it is this - the Rothschilds fortune is estimated about about 600 trillion dollars right now. That is enough to lidiqudate and give about 70-90 thousand dollars to each person in the world. . .

To think they don't have power to sway people not to do what they ask is really naive, sorry to say.

I also think about three American Presidents when I say this.

Abraham Lincoln told members of the Rothschild family to get out of his office when they told him they could finance his war against the south. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy tried to have the CIA dismantle after the Bay of Pigs incident, because he didn't want to be the President that would be responsible for WWIII. The CIA directors are almost always friends with the Rothschild family. He ended up being assassinated!

Ronald Reagan (Who is not the Anti-Christ by any means), created a commission to look where Income Tax goes, and found it goes off to pay off loans from the privately owned Federal Reserve, the brain child of the Rothschilds, and someone tried to assassinate him.

Hmmmmm, Here's three presidents who did something that made the Rothschilds angry, and two were assassinated, and one almost was. They were [b]probably[/b] involved! Don't be naive, that family is evil and probably kills presidents and other world leaders as it fits their goals![/quote]

JIMSH, I am beginning to think that you have an unhealthy obsession with the Rothschilds.

[JesusIsMySuperHero]

[quote name='kujo' post='1532115' date='May 18 2008, 12:28 AM']JIMSH, I am beginning to think that you have an unhealthy obsession with the Rothschilds.[/quote]
You're probably right about that. I shouldn't really think too much about them, as they will be getting theirs anyways.