For Prots - What Does Eat Flesh And Drink Blood Mean

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='desertwoman' post='1552626' date='Jun 1 2008, 04:24 PM']But one of the main things that keeps me away from the Eucharist is that I want to fully accept everything that the Church teaches. I don't want to accept the Eucharist and have damnation fall upon my head.[/quote]

I've been in that place before. Have you been or plan to be in RCIA? I think when you see, as I did, that all of Catholic doctrine forms one complete whole from which nothing can be taken away or added without causing it all to fall apart and become meaningless, you'll realize that if you believe the Eucharist is Christ, you must believe everything the Church teaches.

[quote name='desertwoman' post='1552626' date='Jun 1 2008, 04:24 PM']Also, since the Orthodox Church has a valid communion, why can't I just be Orthodox and partake there since the Eucharist is the focus of the faith in both?[/quote]

Of course, you'd have the same issue there, in that you'd have to accept everything the Eastern Orthodox believe. They do have a wonderful faith with beautiful rites and liturgies, but going there simply to receive valid sacraments is the wrong reason.

[Deb]

Great commentary BG!!!

Scott Hahn's book, The Lamb's Supper was the first book I read after my conversion really kicked off and I was so blown away at how clearly it explains everything about the Eucharist. I will reread it after I get through the other 80 books I am working on.

Dr. Hahn is going to be speaking at a conference in Minneapolis in September, I think along with some other people. Too spendy for too little for me, but, I would love to hear him.

[BG45]

Thanks Deb. I don't think I'd go there either just to stalk Dr. Hahn Steuby would be closer to do that for me. I know what you mean on the books though, I'm reading three of Hahn's, two fiction works in the Warhammer40k universe, and Homeward Bound (scifi novel) by Turtledove.

[kujo]

[quote name='BG45' post='1554951' date='Jun 2 2008, 08:12 PM']Thanks Deb. I don't think I'd go there either just to stalk Dr. Hahn Steuby would be closer to do that for me. I know what you mean on the books though, I'm reading three of Hahn's, two fiction works in the Warhammer40k universe, and Homeward Bound (scifi novel) by Turtledove.[/quote]

Scott Hahn has a new book out called [i]Answering the New Atheism: Dismantling Dawkins' Case Against God[/i] where he debunks what he refers to as "the new atheism." Should be an interesting read.

[Deb]

That sounds great. May have to pick that up. I am trying to stay out of the Catholic book stores cuz I have no self control. I just keep buying, like a kid in a candy store.

[MissyP89]

[quote name='Deb']]That sounds great. May have to pick that up. I am trying to stay out of the Catholic book stores cuz I have no self control. I just keep buying, like a kid in a candy store.[/quote]

AMEN. But that goes for secular, too.

[desertwoman]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1554186' date='Jun 2 2008, 11:33 AM']I've been in that place before. Have you been or plan to be in RCIA? I think when you see, as I did, that all of Catholic doctrine forms one complete whole from which nothing can be taken away or added without causing it all to fall apart and become meaningless, you'll realize that if you believe the Eucharist is Christ, you must believe everything the Church teaches.
Of course, you'd have the same issue there, in that you'd have to accept everything the Eastern Orthodox believe. They do have a wonderful faith with beautiful rites and liturgies, but going there simply to receive valid sacraments is the wrong reason.[/quote]


I guess its easier to be Orthodox because I believe some of their main tenants. I have to discuss this later when I have time.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='kujo' post='1555017' date='Jun 2 2008, 08:16 PM']Scott Hahn has a new book out called [i]Answering the New Atheism: Dismantling Dawkins' Case Against God[/i] where he debunks what he refers to as "the new atheism." Should be an interesting read.[/quote]
What is this "new atheism"? What's new about it? lawl

[LouisvilleFan]

I think New Atheism is essentially an evangelical atheism, where they believe it's an atheist's duty not only to reject all forms of faith and religion, but because of the harm they see religion doing in the world, they must also help believers see the "error" of their ways. Hence, they've evolved beyond the "I'm okay, you're okay" attitude of post-modernism, which means they believe in objective, universal Truth. That's always a good starting point, I think.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='desertwoman' post='1556470' date='Jun 3 2008, 08:41 PM']I guess its easier to be Orthodox because I believe some of their main tenants. I have to discuss this later when I have time.[/quote]

Well, the list is pretty short of what's different between Orthodoxy and Catholicism Even though I believe Orthodoxy suffers from the loss of the Pope's service of authority, I certainly see the appeal the East offers.