Parents And Drinking

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
there was an interest article today in my paper about the fact that my state's students' drinking has increased from 2005 (among 12-20 year olds).

to quote:[quote]We have been taught to think that the key to appropriate drinking habits is teaching our children to "drink responsibly." This idea is a fallacy. We cannot teach anyone to drink responsibly; what we are actually doing is teaching them to drink. No one starts drinking to become an alcoholic.

When we begin to drink alcohol, it is like playing Russian roulette - except instead of bullets, the empty chambers are moderate drinkers, and the loaded chamber is an alcoholic.

Set an alcohol-free example
When we teach our children to "drink responsibly," we are playing a dangerous game with their lives and their future. Is that alcoholic chamber destined for your child? This is a question that should be at the forefront of our thoughts before we become the influencer of our children's drinking habit.[/quote]

as a parent, i always thought it was my responsibility to model appropriate alcoholic consumption, but this article has me thinking. what are your thoughts?

[Budge]

Keep booze out of the house except for COOKING! {like chicken and wine}

Edited June 7, 2008 by Budge

[cmotherofpirl]

Why? There is nothing wrong with having a glass of wine at Christmas or Thanksgiving. Jesus drank wine.

[Justin86]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1562229' date='Jun 8 2008, 12:10 AM']Why? There is nothing wrong with having a glass of wine at Christmas or Thanksgiving. Jesus drank wine.[/quote]
My thoughts exactly. My parents drank around me(never to excess mind you) and I'm a responsible drinker to this day.

[Budge]

Responsible drinker?

Does that mean you just get TIPSY and NOT out and out DRUNK?

Having booze in the house can be a stumbling block to a teen who is predestined to problems with alcohol, it is something that is NOT necessary.

[Winchester]

The quoted article was written by a moron.

[rachael]

[quote]The quoted article was written by a moron.[/quote]


[quote name='Budge' post='1562282' date='Jun 7 2008, 10:34 AM']Responsible drinker?

Does that mean you just get TIPSY and NOT out and out DRUNK?

Having booze in the house can be a stumbling block to a teen who is predestined to problems with alcohol, it is something that is NOT necessary.[/quote]
Yea, that thought never stopped many kids from boozing once they got to college.

Edited June 7, 2008 by rachael

[Justin86]

[quote name='Budge' post='1562282' date='Jun 8 2008, 12:34 AM']Does that mean you just get TIPSY and NOT out and out DRUNK?[/quote]
Yeah, so? Jesus got tipsy too.

[Justin86]

[quote name='rachael' post='1562297' date='Jun 8 2008, 12:44 AM']Yea, that thought never stopped many kids from boozing once they got to college. [/quote]
Or in high school with their friends for that matter.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1562252' date='Jun 7 2008, 10:18 AM']My thoughts exactly. My parents drank around me(never to excess mind you) and I'm a responsible drinker to this day.[/quote]


This from the person who told me last week, "[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=80601&st=280"]Since when was drunkenness a sin[/url]?"

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1562284' date='Jun 7 2008, 11:35 AM']The quoted article was written by a moron.[/quote]

I second that notion.

[Alycin]

IMO it could go either way with teens... if there is not a drop of alcohol in the house it may create a curiosity about it and an eagerness to try it. If a child grows up witnessing their mother or father drink on a regular basis, the child could use that excuse as a reason why they should be able to drink. If a child grows up watching their parents drink to a point where their demeanor changes, even in the slightest, it can be damaging and confusing to them.

So pretty much... it could all go wrong.

[Alycin]

Calling someone who has an opinion that disagrees with your own a moron is pretty uncharitable.

The article topic is not a new one; and just because some people don't like the idea of not keeping alcohol in their house because they like to drink, does not mean that the article doesn't have a reasonable argument.

[Winchester]

Drunkenness is the habit of being drunk. Don't bother with dictionary definitions. You'll find they vary. My usage is proper.

[Justin86]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1562333' date='Jun 8 2008, 12:55 AM']This from the person who told me last week, "[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=80601&st=280"]Since when was drunkenness a sin[/url]?"

[/quote]


I think I clarified what I meant in that topic. Thanks for spinning my words to make me sound like an alcoholic.

Why are the Charity Police so uncharitable?

Edited June 7, 2008 by Justin86

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1562360' date='Jun 7 2008, 11:02 AM']Drunkenness is the habit of being drunk. Don't bother with dictionary definitions. You'll find they vary. My usage is proper.[/quote]


I don't believe I said anything to you about your drinking habits. And I'm sorry, but I'm not so prideful as to adopt the definition of a word that fits my liking and dismiss all the others... so you saying the above doesn't make it so. There have been discussions on this board before about the definition of the word "drunkenness" using the catechism, and in the end I'm always going to listen to the catechism/the Church as the final say.

[CatherineM]

Alcoholism runs in my family, and I could definitely have gone down that path with my drinking in college. My opinion of alcohol in the house is influenced by my experiences of taking in my 15 year old nephew. He was always in it. I still have guilt that my alcohol contributed to his alcoholism and addiction and eventual death on the streets. I also know that if I've had a hard day, I could easily come in and start drinking. So I don't keep it in the house. Most families/people don't have those issues, so for them it's not a problem.

Edited June 7, 2008 by CatherineM

[Alycin]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1562366' date='Jun 7 2008, 11:05 AM']

I think I clarified what I meant in that topic. Thanks for spinning my words to make me sound like an alcoholic.[/quote]


Oh please. Don't kid yourself. If I was trying to spin your words I certainly wouldn't have linked to the thread where everyone could go and see for themselves what you said, now would I? That would just be silly on my part.

[quote name='Justin86' post='1562366' date='Jun 7 2008, 11:05 AM']Why are the Charity Police so uncharitable?[/quote]

Funny, you keep saying that, but both times it has really just been a lame excuse to shift attention. Neither time that you've ranted about charity police has it been a valid argument.

*edited for grammar

Edited June 7, 2008 by Alycin

[prose]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1562229' date='Jun 7 2008, 09:10 AM']Why? There is nothing wrong with having a glass of wine at Christmas or Thanksgiving. Jesus drank wine.[/quote]

Jesus MADE wine. And then served it to people who were already drunk.

So either:

A. Jesus encouraged sin by providing more alcohol to drunk people even though drinking is a sin.

OR

B. Drinking is not a sin.

I am putting my bets on B.

Anyways, my answers:

I voted unsure because I do not think it is responsible to get drunk around children, but I don't think a glass of wine with dinner is innappropriate.

I voted that my parents modelled responsible behavior. My mother never had a single drink, ever to my memory, and my father only had an occasional beer.

And I got very drunk in highschool several times.

[Alycin]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1562378' date='Jun 7 2008, 11:09 AM']Alcoholism runs in my family, and I could definitely have gone down that path with my drinking in college. My opinion of alcohol in the house is influenced by my experiences of taking in my 15 year old nephew. He was always in it. I still have guilt that my alcohol contributed to his alcoholism and addiction and eventual death on the streets. I also know that if I've had a hard day, I could easily come in and start drinking. So I don't keep it in the house. Most families/people don't have those issues, so for them it's not a problem.[/quote]


*hugs*