Smoking In The House Or Car

[Alycin]

[quote name='Roamin_Catholic' post='1564139' date='Jun 8 2008, 11:50 PM']I think tax breaks could lead to more big brother like involvement from the government, something that a lot of people already oppose. i feel that giving them breaks on health insurance and life insurance. Both of which you already receive for not smoking, is enough incentive for those who care about the money. Heck, just the money they would have to use on things other than smokes should be a big enough incentive already.[/quote]

It should be... unfortunately it isn't. Once upon a time I could buy a pack of marlboro reds for 2.73. Okay, *I* couldn't buy them but... you know. Someone could buy them for me for 2.73. Now they are almost 5 a pack. And to my knowledge... numbers of smokers haven't gone down... but maybe they are going down but just slowly? I dunno. I'd have to google it.

[Jaime]

[quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1564120' date='Jun 8 2008, 11:38 PM']likewise, but i don't miss the ill effects![/quote]

how long's it been for you fides?

[Roamin Catholic]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1564153' date='Jun 8 2008, 10:57 PM']It should be... unfortunately it isn't. Once upon a time I could buy a pack of marlboro reds for 2.73. Okay, *I* couldn't buy them but... you know. Someone could buy them for me for 2.73. Now they are almost 5 a pack. And to my knowledge... numbers of smokers haven't gone down... but maybe they are going down but just slowly? I dunno. I'd have to google it.[/quote]

but why give tax breaks when there are already enough financial incentives?

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1564134' date='Jun 8 2008, 10:46 PM']people are greedy, which is why i think we'd see a substantial change in the number of people doing unhealthy things if they got rewarded financially...

just an idea... i wish I had a better one though...[/quote]
I'm not saying that there should be no education, by any means. Just that I think we've reached the asymptote of decreasing smoking through education. It's still needed to keep us there, just shouldn't be expected to cause masses of people to suddenly realize it's bad.

Wow, this is bringing me back to my exercise science tests, where we had to write what different levels of people could do to encourage healthy behavior. Money was involved in a lot of it, but it all comes down to personal decision. Unless it's pretty significant financial gain, it has to be an intrinsic thing to want to quit and stick with it.

[Alycin]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1564164' date='Jun 9 2008, 12:05 AM']I'm not saying that there should be no education, by any means. Just that I think we've reached the asymptote of decreasing smoking through education. It's still needed to keep us there, just shouldn't be expected to cause masses of people to suddenly realize it's bad.

Wow, this is bringing me back to my exercise science tests, where we had to write what different levels of people could do to encourage healthy behavior. Money was involved in a lot of it, but it all comes down to personal decision. Unless it's pretty significant financial gain, it has to be an intrinsic thing to want to quit and stick with it.[/quote]

I just wish there was another way, so that non-smoker spouses and children wouldn't be penalized... so sad that people that never smoke a day in their life can end up with lung cancer.

[MissScripture]

Okay, the exact phrase I was looking for was "internal motivation" not "intrinsic thing."
But, for some people, spouses and children are enough of a motivation. I know a woman at my church who stopped smoking cold-turkey when her son came home and asked who would take care of him when she died from smoking.

I mean, it's one of those things that goes for any bad habit or addiction people have that affect their family. You wish there was some way to stop it, or to get them to stop doing it, but THEY have to make the decision. No one can do it for them.

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1564154' date='Jun 8 2008, 10:58 PM']how long's it been for you fides?[/quote]

[Alycin]

I have quit smoking sooooo many times in the past 6 years... this time is one of the longest I've gone without.

[picchick]

I think that if you are going to smoke, (just like if you are going to drink) you need to do so responsibly. We all know the hazards of smoking. I am not going to beat it into people even though the nurse in me is screaming.

However, no one around you should have to deal with it. Be respectful. There are so many respiratory problems with children nowadays especially with pollution in the air. Smoking around children should never be ok. Second hand smoke is known to be just as dangerous as smoking.

So what should be done? Education first off. People need to be educated and educated and educated about smoking and second hand smoke. Again, if you decide to smoke then do not smoke around your children. Education is first.

Governments should not regulate this. I think that it is great that they banned smoking in public places. However, I do not think that they should start regulating smoking in personal places. That is just an invasion of privacy.

Meg

[XIX]

Aww.

How long you been going?

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote name='MissScripture' post='1564116' date='Jun 8 2008, 09:36 PM']Honestly, I think the education thing is touted a little too much. At my school they were trying to make it a smoke free campus, and people kept asking what they would do about people who came to our school as smokers and were living on campus. Their answer was "education." At my school, where it is largely health care majors, you can't NOT know what smoking does. Heck, I don't think in the general population, you really can, but especially not when it's plastered all over everything about 75% of the time. It just seems that they were ignoring the fact that people have reasons that they smoke, and just telling someone it's bad for their health isn't going to effectively stop them.[/quote]
i meant education about second hand smoke, and what it does to children - i don't think people are educated enough about that.

[quote name='Alycin' post='1564168' date='Jun 8 2008, 10:07 PM']I just wish there was another way, so that non-smoker spouses and children wouldn't be penalized... so sad that people that never smoke a day in their life can end up with lung cancer. [/quote]or not. what's the percentage of people that [b]don't[/b] end up with cancer from second hand smoke?

[Alycin]

I have no idea... I didn't even say anything about how often it was... just the fact that it is possible bothers me.

One child ending up with lung cancer after never having smoked a cigarette in his/her life is one too many, for me.

[picchick]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1564277' date='Jun 9 2008, 01:11 AM']I have no idea... I didn't even say anything about how often it was... just the fact that it is possible bothers me.

One child ending up with lung cancer after never having smoked a cigarette in his/her life is one too many, for me.[/quote]

Lung cancer in children is also from pollution. Do not discredit that as well...

Meg

[Alycin]

[quote name='picchick' post='1564281' date='Jun 9 2008, 01:12 AM']Lung cancer in children is also from pollution. Do not discredit that as well...

Meg[/quote]

I did not even know that actually.

[Archaeology cat]

I accidentally hit the wrong one - meant to vote that it's never ok. The elder of my foster brothers had really bad asthma, and one of the conditions of home visits was that his parents wouldn't smoke inside, which didn't happen (of course, they weren't just smoking cigarettes, either, but I digress). And since my husband has asthma, we don't really like being around smoke anyway. I really like the smoking ban, actually. As for missing smoking, I do like to have an occasional cigar, but not cigarettes.

[quote name='Alycin' post='1564112' date='Jun 9 2008, 04:35 AM']There should be a designated smoking area AWAY from the entrance/exits (so people don't have to walk through smoke to get in or out) and away from the cars, but still on-site. Just my opinion though.[/quote]
The Women's Hospital here doesn't allow smoking near the entrances or in the parking lot, but they have provided a place for smokers (and it isn't [i]that [/i]far from the hospital, just enough where you don't have to walk through smoke to get there)

The NHS actually won't do some treatments (treatments that can safely be postponed) before the person tries to give up smoking for a couple of months, just because they're less likely to have problems in recovery that way.

[picchick]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1564067' date='Jun 8 2008, 11:11 PM']Smoking bans exist in a lot of places, unfortunately, most of the bans (to my knowledge) don't apply to one's own house.... which means no protection for the kids. [/quote]
And the shouldn't apply to one's own house. I believe that it would be an invasion of privacy. THere needs to be education on children, respiratory problems and effects of second hand smoke. Everyone knows that smoking is bad. But not everyone is clear on the effects of second hand smoke.

[quote name='Alycin' post='1564112' date='Jun 8 2008, 11:35 PM']There should be a designated smoking area AWAY from the entrance/exits (so people don't have to walk through smoke to get in or out) and away from the cars, but still on-site. Just my opinion though.[/quote]

In Il. you have to be a certain distance from the entrance. No smoking in public areas.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1564272' date='Jun 9 2008, 12:05 AM']+J.M.J.+

i meant education about second hand smoke, and what it does to children - i don't think people are educated enough about that.[/quote]
True, they do focus on what smoking does to the smoker's lungs and body.

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1564367' date='Jun 9 2008, 02:44 AM']The Women's Hospital here doesn't allow smoking near the entrances or in the parking lot, but they have provided a place for smokers (and it isn't [i]that [/i]far from the hospital, just enough where you don't have to walk through smoke to get there)

The NHS actually won't do some treatments (treatments that can safely be postponed) before the person tries to give up smoking for a couple of months, just because they're less likely to have problems in recovery that way.[/quote]
At pulmonary rehab, where I had to a practicum roatation last year, they wouldn't allow patients who were still smoking to come in for out patient rehab, because a) if they're still smoking, they're still actively hurting their respiratory tract and b) it is hurting the other patients, as well, if they have to come in and smell smoke on someone else, when they're already having a hard time breathing. They would help people stop smoking, but they would not be enrolled in the program unless they had stopped. They had a sign up that said, "Patrons caught smoking will be hung by their toenails and beaten with a carrot, by order of the establisment."

[Justin86]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1564432' date='Jun 9 2008, 11:26 PM']"Patrons caught smoking will be hung by their toenails and beaten with a carrot, by order of the establisment." [/quote]
See, this is why I told punk rockers to screw themselves and joined the establishment. Such good, heartwarming times to be had here with us!

[StColette]

Louisiana actually passed a law that says people smoking in a car where there is a child under 13 will be given a nice hefty ticket.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='picchick' post='1564413' date='Jun 9 2008, 01:47 PM']And the shouldn't apply to one's own house. I believe that it would be an invasion of privacy. THere needs to be education on children, respiratory problems and effects of second hand smoke. Everyone knows that smoking is bad. But not everyone is clear on the effects of second hand smoke.[/quote]
Agreed

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1564432' date='Jun 9 2008, 02:26 PM']At pulmonary rehab, where I had to a practicum roatation last year, they wouldn't allow patients who were still smoking to come in for out patient rehab, because a) if they're still smoking, they're still actively hurting their respiratory tract and b) it is hurting the other patients, as well, if they have to come in and smell smoke on someone else, when they're already having a hard time breathing. They would help people stop smoking, but they would not be enrolled in the program unless they had stopped. They had a sign up that said, "Patrons caught smoking will be hung by their toenails and beaten with a carrot, by order of the establisment." [/quote]
Yeah, it was with things like that. I think they also said that about certain operations, because recovery just wouldn't go all that well if the person was still smoking. But that sign is awesome.