Great Commission Proves Catholicism

[Paddington]

Before the 1800's, Christianity wasn't near as widespread as today. And today, some people are unevangelized.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Paddington' post='1574927' date='Jun 18 2008, 09:14 AM']Before the 1800's, Christianity wasn't near as widespread as today. And today, some people are unevangelized.[/quote]

Mexico, South America, the American Indians? Who evangelized them primarily? All of south america and mexico were Catholic countries until the protestants came in with their division. For various reasons (some related to slavery and anti-white man sentiments because of it) Africa has had some problems but there is currently a great conversion to Catholicism going on there. The seeds of Catholicism were planted in these areas way back in the 1600's and grew till Catholicism was widespread. Yes there are many today who are not evangelized. But as far as the great commission goes and bringing the Gospel to all nations, it was the Catholic Church primarily.

Edited June 19, 2008 by thessalonian

[thequeensindian]

"Primarily"? Not entirely? Does this mean that Catholicism is "primarily" true? Sorry, but if you're using the Great Commission to prove Catholicism, you're not making your point very well.

The thing I find disquieting about this thread is that some posters would discredit sacrifices made by non-Catholic missionaries, including not a few martyrs, because they weren't Catholic.

[Justin86]

[quote name='thequeensindian' post='1576642' date='Jun 20 2008, 09:41 AM']"Primarily"? Not entirely? Does this mean that Catholicism is "primarily" true? Sorry, but if you're using the Great Commission to prove Catholicism, you're not making your point very well.

The thing I find disquieting about this thread is that some posters would discredit sacrifices made by non-Catholic missionaries, including not a few martyrs, because they weren't Catholic.[/quote]
Actually, it has nothing at to do with discrediting the sacrifices of non-Catholic Christian missionaries. All it says is that because the Catholic Church was given the Great Commission Protestants had no right to go start their own.

As Catholics we believe our Church to be fullness of Divine Revelation. Other religions and Churches have some truth, but not it's fullness. You could make an argument that this belif discredits all other faiths, especially their martyrs. It doesn't.

[thequeensindian]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1576660' date='Jun 19 2008, 08:01 PM']Actually, it has nothing at to do with discrediting the sacrifices of non-Catholic Christian missionaries. All it says is that because the Catholic Church was given the Great Commission Protestants had no right to go start their own.[/quote]

Well, I would certainly take issue with that. Even from your perspective, wouldn't it be better for a heathen to be converted to non-Catholic Christianity than to remain a heathen?

[Justin86]

Sure, but that has nothing to do whether or not Protestantism had a right to exist in the first place.

[thequeensindian]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1576956' date='Jun 19 2008, 10:56 PM']Sure, but that has nothing to do whether or not Protestantism had a right to exist in the first place.[/quote]


Doesn't the Catholic Church teach that we have the God-given right to freedom of religion, freedom of conscience? Or have their teachings changed over time, since the Reformation?

This thread has wandered pretty far off-topic, sorry about that.

Edited June 20, 2008 by thequeensindian

[Galloglasses]

[quote name='thequeensindian' post='1577787' date='Jun 20 2008, 04:56 PM']Doesn't the Catholic Church teach that we have the God-given right to freedom of religion, freedom of conscience? Or have their teachings changed over time, since the Reformation?

This thread has wandered pretty far off-topic, sorry about that.[/quote]
No its not, this thread actually challenges the validity of Protestantism. You're sort of right to bring up these sort of questions.

You have the freedom of conscience and Religion. Doesn't mean you are right in your decision.

[Justin86]

[quote name='Galloglasses' post='1577901' date='Jun 21 2008, 08:54 AM']You have the freedom of conscience and Religion. Doesn't mean you are right in your decision.[/quote]
Exactly. You are free to believe whatever you want, but it doesn't change the truth that you are wrong.

[thequeensindian]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1578060' date='Jun 20 2008, 09:29 PM']Exactly. You are free to believe whatever you want, but it doesn't change the truth that you are wrong.[/quote]

And you're free to believe that, as long as you don't jam it down my throat. Thank you for reinforcing my stereotypes about Catholics.

[Galloglasses]

You were asking what we had to say on the issue. We said the Church teaches you are allowed to believe what you want, but that doesn't mean you've made the right decision. Essentially we teach the objectivity of Truth that cannot be bended, only ignored. And you're saying we're stuff it down your throat? We're not TELLING you what to believe, we were answering your question.

[Justin86]

What Galloglasses said. This is a catholic site and you asked what we as Catholics believe. if you don't want to know what we believe then don't come here.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='thequeensindian' post='1576642' date='Jun 19 2008, 08:41 PM']"Primarily"? Not entirely? Does this mean that Catholicism is "primarily" true? Sorry, but if you're using the Great Commission to prove Catholicism, you're not making your point very well.

The thing I find disquieting about this thread is that some posters would discredit sacrifices made by non-Catholic missionaries, including not a few martyrs, because they weren't Catholic.[/quote]

Who? Protestants are Christians. The point of this thread is not to disprove that. But it is to show that the Catholic Church is what it claims to be. That does not say what the Protestants are. I see protestantism in the passage where the Apostles want Jesus to cast fire down upon some who are casting out demons in his name. He responds that those who are not against us are with us. But there is an us.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1580687' date='Jun 23 2008, 06:09 PM']But there is an us.[/quote]
Best point I've heard in a while, and yet so beautifully concise.