Question

[aalpha1989]

Have any of you heard of the Cistercian monastery in Austria called "Stift Heiligenkreuz im Wienerwald"? Is it generally known for orthodoxy? I'm interested in visiting it when I next make it to Europe. If it is a little questionable, what cloistered orders in Europe (preferably German speaking... I don't know any other language other than English) are pretty orthodox? THanks!

[aalpha1989]

*bump*

I know all you Europeans are still awake for a little bit yet.

[Chiquitunga]

I'm not in Europe, but I bet EJames from Canada will be able to help you here. Just from reading their site a little though, they look great! And it says they're receiving a lot of young vocations, which is always a good sign. They have this new CD out which I've heard has done very well in Europe. I listened to a few samples, and they sound wonderful!

[url="http://stift-heiligenkreuz.org/English.kinder-und-jugendfuehrungen.0.html"]http://stift-heiligenkreuz.org/English.kin...ehrungen.0.html[/url]

Also, there are Carthusian Monks in [url="http://www.chartreux.org/maisons/Marienau/Marienau.htm"]Germany[/url] and [url="http://www.chartreux.org/maisons/Valsainte/Valsainte.htm"]Switzerland[/url], though the Carthusians usually only allow visits from serious discerners and for a month discernment retreat, I think.

[EWIE]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='Jun 24 2008, 02:27 AM' post='1581295']
Have any of you heard of the Cistercian monastery in Austria called "Stift Heiligenkreuz im Wienerwald"?


No but perhaps these would give you some help.


[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG8rzd2kGcc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG8rzd2kGcc[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz6hOBjRRi4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz6hOBjRRi4[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_mb7wu_a0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_mb7wu_a0[/url]

[aalpha1989]

Thanks, all.

[aalpha1989]

*bump i hope for puella*

[Johanna]

I'm not sure about the answer, as I am not so firm with monks cloisters, but at least the Pope said that in this monastery "glows the Marian spirit of St. Bernhard of Claivaux". Hope this helps a little.

[EJames2]

i assume you are speaking about Monastic Places and not just all Community expressions in general in Europe?
i am in Canada, but lived as a Religious in Europe, and and traveled extensively in Religious Community circles, and my close friends are in Monasteries/ Communities in France and Italy. in Austria i cant help you much though. never been , nor hear much about the goings on..except for The Brothers of St. John foundations.

but i am told and have read that yes ,they are [url="http://stift-heiligenkreuz.org/"]good Cistercians[/url] (NOT simple poor Trappists remember), and are known for [url="http://stift-heiligenkreuz.org/Bilder-Pictures-download.222.0.html"]there Liturgies and Choral.[/url](Reform of the Reform type), Pope Benedict Likes them.They are a bit 'high art', classical Austrian atmosphere, as i understand.They seem to be the only mens German speaking Monastery that is [url="http://thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2007/09/pope-at-heiligenkreuz-abbey.html"]talked about alot on the web [/url]as being quite good, especially amongst the educated/Liturgical crowd.-- The Franciscan Friars of Immaculate have a place in Austria. i have a priest friend, very solid, who lives in Switzerland, but teaches in Austria. I will ask him.
In French Switzerland there is a good Monastery too, with german speaking monks at [url="http://abbaye-hauterive.ch/index.php/de/willkommen-16/"]http://abbaye-hauterive.ch/index.php/de/willkommen-16/[/url]

as far as orthodox Monasteries/Communities, there are quite a few in France a couple in [url="http://vocation-station.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-i-have-vocation.html"]Italy[/url] and England, etc. you can PM me and be more specific if you want. You can also check my blog
[url="http://vocation-station.blogspot.com"]http://vocation-station.blogspot.com[/url]
if language is a concern see [url="http://vocation-station.blogspot.com/search?q=Pluscarden"]PLuscarden Abbey[/url], in Scotland,(though not considered Europe of course) very well known for a cistercian type lifestyle, wonderful Gregorian Chant, orthodox faith ,classical hard working Benedictine life.[url="http://vocation-station.blogspot.com/2008/02/quarr-abbey-benedictinesuk.html"]Quarr Abbey[/url] is a Solesmes (france) Monastery, in England that has an American Brother as well.
PAX

Edited June 25, 2008 by EJames2

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='EJames2' post='1582831' date='Jun 25 2008, 11:07 AM']i assume you are speaking about Monastic Places and not just all Community expressions in general in Europe?
i am in Canada, but lived as a Religious in Europe, and and traveled extensively in Religious Community circles, and my close friends are in Monasteries/ Communities in France and Italy. in Austria i cant help you much though. never been , nor hear much about the goings on..except for The Brothers of St. John foundations.

but i am told and have read that yes ,they are [url="http://stift-heiligenkreuz.org/"]good Cistercians[/url] (NOT simple poor Trappists remember), and are known for [url="http://stift-heiligenkreuz.org/Bilder-Pictures-download.222.0.html"]there Liturgies and Choral.[/url](Reform of the Reform type), Pope Benedict Likes them.They are a bit 'high art', classical Austrian atmosphere, as i understand.They seem to be the only mens German speaking Monastery that is [url="http://thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2007/09/pope-at-heiligenkreuz-abbey.html"]talked about alot on the web [/url]as being quite good, especially amongst the educated/Liturgical crowd.-- The Franciscan Friars of Immaculate have a place in Austria. i have a priest friend, very solid, who lives in Switzerland, but teaches in Austria. I will ask him.
In French Switzerland there is a good Monastery too, with german speaking monks at [url="http://abbaye-hauterive.ch/index.php/de/willkommen-16/"]http://abbaye-hauterive.ch/index.php/de/willkommen-16/[/url]

as far as orthodox Monasteries/Communities, there are quite a few in France a couple in [url="http://vocation-station.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-i-have-vocation.html"]Italy[/url] and England, etc. you can PM me and be more specific if you want. You can also check my blog
[url="http://vocation-station.blogspot.com"]http://vocation-station.blogspot.com[/url]
if language is a concern see [url="http://vocation-station.blogspot.com/search?q=Pluscarden"]PLuscarden Abbey[/url], in Scotland,(though not considered Europe of course) very well known for a cistercian type lifestyle, wonderful Gregorian Chant, orthodox faith ,classical hard working Benedictine life.[url="http://vocation-station.blogspot.com/2008/02/quarr-abbey-benedictinesuk.html"]Quarr Abbey[/url] is a Solesmes (france) Monastery, in England that has an American Brother as well.
PAX[/quote]

Wow, thank you very much. I'll check out your blog.
I may pm you once I can get my messanger down to 98 or 96% full.

[veroni213]

Here's a picture I took a couple weeks ago. Once a year in Vienna, they have this thing called "The Long Night of the Churches" which is basically a way cooler version of the "Long Night of the Museums" that other European cities have. Essentially, all the churches stay open really late and have open house. They have Mass, prayer, confession, sacred music, tours, sacristy show and tell, lectures etc. There were probably 65 churches participating that night, about 45 of which were Roman Rite.

This picture was taken on that night in the downtown Cistercian church, which is only open for this event. The monk who gave the introduction repeatedly referred to it as a "puppenstube" and tried to convince everyone to make a visit to the "real" Heiligenkreuz in the Wienerwald. The young monks he brought with him sang evening prayer several times for the benefit of the massive crowd because not everyone could get in the church at once. There was also quite a moving talk on how being a Cistercian means being in love.

[url="http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2136280710103680536jqKKyP"][img]http://thumb16.webshots.net/t/68/168/2/80/71/2136280710103680536jqKKyP_th.jpg[/img][/url]


Hopefully, I'll be able to get out to the monastery at some point.

EDIT: If you click on the picture it gets bigger.

Edited June 25, 2008 by TrueImage

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1581295' date='Jun 24 2008, 10:27 AM']Have any of you heard of the Cistercian monastery in Austria called "Stift Heiligenkreuz im Wienerwald"? Is it generally known for orthodoxy? I'm interested in visiting it when I next make it to Europe. If it is a little questionable, what cloistered orders in Europe (preferably German speaking... I don't know any other language other than English) are pretty orthodox? THanks![/quote]

Hi
I don't know much about them but what I've heard is good. There are "interesting" parts of Austria but this is decent.

You can find some Benedictine houses [url="http://atlas.osb-international.info/atlas/geo/WORLD/NameCat/1/en.html"]here[/url]. In the UK, as mentioned, Pluscarden and Quarr rock, as does Buckfast Abbey (personal interest - I'm an Oblate). They're all Benedictine.

A UK Cistercian Abbey of monks you might like to consider is Mount St. Bernard: [url="http://www.mountsaintbernard.org/"]http://www.mountsaintbernard.org/[/url]

Try [url="http://www.orden.de/"]this site[/url] for orders in Germany. The Buronese Congregation is quite big.
For Cistcercians specifically (both common and strict observance), try [url="http://www.osb.org/cist/index.html#com"]this page[/url].

In the Netherlands there's an Abbey of Solesmes Benedictines at Vaals: [url="http://www.benedictusberg.nl/"]http://www.benedictusberg.nl/[/url]

Just some thoughts off the top of my head. I hope they're of some help

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='TrueImage' post='1583021' date='Jun 25 2008, 02:17 PM']Here's a picture I took a couple weeks ago. Once a year in Vienna, they have this thing called "The Long Night of the Churches" which is basically a way cooler version of the "Long Night of the Museums" that other European cities have. Essentially, all the churches stay open really late and have open house. They have Mass, prayer, confession, sacred music, tours, sacristy show and tell, lectures etc. There were probably 65 churches participating that night, about 45 of which were Roman Rite.

This picture was taken on that night in the downtown Cistercian church, which is only open for this event. The monk who gave the introduction repeatedly referred to it as a "puppenstube" and tried to convince everyone to make a visit to the "real" Heiligenkreuz in the Wienerwald. The young monks he brought with him sang evening prayer several times for the benefit of the massive crowd because not everyone could get in the church at once. There was also quite a moving talk on how being a Cistercian means being in love.

[url="http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2136280710103680536jqKKyP"][img]http://thumb16.webshots.net/t/68/168/2/80/71/2136280710103680536jqKKyP_th.jpg[/img][/url]
Hopefully, I'll be able to get out to the monastery at some point.

EDIT: If you click on the picture it gets bigger.[/quote]

That's beautiful! Are you in Austria right now? Oder in Bayern? Ich denke, dass wir bevor sprachen. Nicht wahr?

[quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1583028' date='Jun 25 2008, 02:25 PM']Hi
I don't know much about them but what I've heard is good. There are "interesting" parts of Austria but this is decent.

You can find some Benedictine houses [url="http://atlas.osb-international.info/atlas/geo/WORLD/NameCat/1/en.html"]here[/url]. In the UK, as mentioned, Pluscarden and Quarr rock, as does Buckfast Abbey (personal interest - I'm an Oblate). They're all Benedictine.

A UK Cistercian Abbey of monks you might like to consider is Mount St. Bernard: [url="http://www.mountsaintbernard.org/"]http://www.mountsaintbernard.org/[/url]

Try [url="http://www.orden.de/"]this site[/url] for orders in Germany. The Buronese Congregation is quite big.
For Cistcercians specifically (both common and strict observance), try [url="http://www.osb.org/cist/index.html#com"]this page[/url].

In the Netherlands there's an Abbey of Solesmes Benedictines at Vaals: [url="http://www.benedictusberg.nl/"]http://www.benedictusberg.nl/[/url]

Just some thoughts off the top of my head. I hope they're of some help [/quote]

Thanks...I had a feeling you'd give me a couple Benedictine ones. I love Benedictines but I'm rather suspicious of the ones over here in the US. I'll look at those ones...

[veroni213]

[quote]That's beautiful! Are you in Austria right now? Oder in Bayern? Ich denke, dass wir bevor sprachen. Nicht wahr?[/quote]

I think so too. I'm in Austria now. Before that I was in Germany, but I wasn't staying in Bavaria. (too bad) Unfortunately, I have very little time for sightseeing so I might not get out to Heiligenkreuz.

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1583038' date='Jun 25 2008, 09:41 PM'] Thanks...I had a feeling you'd give me a couple Benedictine ones. I love Benedictines but I'm rather suspicious of the ones over here in the US. I'll look at those ones...[/quote]

If you'd like any more info you're welcome to send me a PM.

[jkaands]

There are a number of orthodox habited OSB's in the US--assuming that's what you're looking for--: Regina Laudis, Westfield, Petersham, Virginia Dale. Mary Queen of Apostles, Srs. of St. Emma--and a lot of the unhabited OSB's are orthodox as well.

[Chiquitunga]

You know about Clear Creek [url="http://www.clearcreekmonks.org/"]http://www.clearcreekmonks.org/[/url] though, right? God bless!

Edited June 26, 2008 by Margaret Clare

[Stacey]

From the Benedictine year book - The Order of St Benedict http:// www.osb.org Benedictine Confederation www.osb-international.info Communio Internationalis Benedictarum (CIB) www. benedictines-cib.com Alliance for Intenational Monasticism www. aimintl.org English Benedictine Congregation www.benedictines.org.uk Cistecians www.ocso.org or www.ocist.org

as Cistercians follow the Rule of St Benedict you should find them from these links, by the way Scotland is part of Britain so it is in Europe. I don't know why they arent' lighthing up but hope they help. pax sr marie therese.

[EJames2]

[quote name='Stacey' post='1584587' date='Jun 27 2008, 03:23 AM']From the Benedictine year book - The Order of St Benedict http:// www.osb.org Benedictine Confederation www.osb-international.info Communio Internationalis Benedictarum (CIB) www. benedictines-cib.com Alliance for Intenational Monasticism www. aimintl.org English Benedictine Congregation www.benedictines.org.uk Cistecians www.ocso.org or www.ocist.org

as Cistercians follow the Rule of St Benedict you should find them from these links, by the way Scotland is part of Britain so it is in Europe. I don't know why they arent' lighthing up but hope they help. pax sr marie therese.[/quote]
i just said Scotland as not part of Europe, only because my Scottish relatives and friends say they aren't....but i know they are officially.
oh and those using the www.osb.org, i would be very cautious and aware,being that it is run by St. Johns Collegeville, and is not the official OSB Confederation Site. as many articles/news and links could cause scandal/confusion to the ignorant.
[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/reviews/view.cfm?recnum=103&repos=2&subrepos=&searchid=260679"]http://www.catholicculture.org/reviews/vie...searchid=260679[/url]

the international atlas though, yes is very very helpful.
[url="http://atlas.osb-international.info/atlas/geo/WORLD/NameCat/1/en.html"]http://atlas.osb-international.info/atlas/...meCat/1/en.html[/url]
PAX

Edited June 27, 2008 by EJames2

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1584051' date='Jun 26 2008, 04:06 PM']You know about Clear Creek [url="http://www.clearcreekmonks.org/"]http://www.clearcreekmonks.org/[/url] though, right? God bless![/quote]

Yep, I've heard of 'em, but have yet to visit them... maybe sometime soon. Thanks!