Madame Vengier Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1599967' date='Jul 14 2008, 01:41 PM']And what of the illegal immigrants? We're just going to be making it easier for them.[/quote] There is no "going to be" about it. We already ARE. We've been doing that for 25 years. That's why they are here. Government agencies estimate their numbers at between 15 and 20 million. And still coming. And refuse to leave. Becuase we make it so easy for them to stay. It's absolutely mind-boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 [quote name='picchick' post='1599844' date='Jul 14 2008, 09:43 AM']Obama is not looking at the greater picture. In Chicago, there are neighborhoods that are full Polish, full Italian, full Hispanic, etc. He is isolating one immigration population and in a way, favoring them.[/quote] Absolutely. The same goes for McCain and every other politician on the scene. Including George Bush and all the so-called conservatives. They ALL favor Spanish-speaking immigrants. They claim this is only natural becuase Hispanics are the single largest and fastest growing immigrant population, and therefore they deserve special attention. Here's the irony: They are the single largest and fastest growing "immigrant" population in America because the vast majority of them are here illegally and having children here. Does anyone really think that the overwhelming speed at which this population is growing is just a natural phenomenon??? Please. No one believes that. Hispanic "immigration" and its extreme rapid growth is a white elephant in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 El punto no es que todo el mundo necesita hablar español sino que debemos abrirnos las mentes a otras culturas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximilianus Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1604060' date='Jul 20 2008, 02:55 PM']El punto no es que todo el mundo necesita hablar español sino que debemos abrirnos las mentes a otras culturas.[/quote] The United States is far from a homogenous country. Even in the deep south were I live, where everyone seems to think is a land inundated with "rednecks", is quite diverse ethnically. Yes white and black southerners are the majority, but there are Latinos of all cultures, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Indians, and an assortment of immigrants from other countries. America has no culture problem, no language problem. Obama is making an issue out of nothing. Edited July 20, 2008 by Maximilianus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 [quote name='Maximilianus' post='1604147' date='Jul 20 2008, 05:03 PM']America has no culture problem, no language problem. Obama is making an issue out of nothing.[/quote] Your eyes must be closed if that's what you truly believe, that we are fully accepting of all cultures as a country. I'm generally an optimist and I could never bring myself to believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 (edited) As someone who has had many a family member and friend have to wait to enter the US, I am very upset at the blatant discrimination favoring Mexicans. Why does the law not apply to them? And why does that not seems to be a problem for our politicians? Not only is it not a problem for them but now I need to learn Spanish? Please note that the Mexican government maintains tight control of their Southern border. Edit - someday I will learn to type Edited July 21, 2008 by Mercy me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 [quote name='Mercy me' post='1604196' date='Jul 20 2008, 09:30 PM']As someone who has had many a family member and friend have to wait to enter the US, I am very upset at the blatant discrimination favoring Mexicans. Why does the law not apply to them? And why does that not seems to be a problem for our politicians? Not only is it not a problem for them but now I need to learn Spanish? Please note that the Mexican government maintains tight control of their Southern border. Edit - someday I will learn to type [/quote] I was exchanging emails with my dad's best friend, Jose, about this very issue. He is from Peru. He is not a citizen yet, though he's been going through that process for about 15 years. I let his opinion override mine: "I have waited 15 <expletive> years and have paid thousands of dollars. I've done what they told me and eagerly await the day when I can call myself an 'American.' These Mexicans come from a harsh place, and I don't blame them for wanting to improve their situation; however, they've got to do it right just like the rest of us. It's not fair that they are given preferential treatment in the political process while people like myself are told to hush up and 'fight for their rights.' They shouldn't (and can't) be kicked out of the country. Instead, the government should open up a new "line" for them to wait in while they are here. They should be penalized by waiting longer to become a citizen. That's how I would take care of this whole mess." 'Nuff said, in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I am going to learn Polish. I know a few phrases but I would like to learn more. So take that Obama! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lords sheep Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Just to reiterate what some have already said: I completely agree that learning a second language is beneficial. I was a double major in spanish and theology in college, and I learned soo much. One of my language teachers used to say, "if you can learn a foreign language, then you can learn anything" because of the discipline require to learn it to begin with. My other thought is this: as an American who recently moved to Italy (I'm working and studying here), I'm learning Italian. I cannot expect there to be someone around who speaks English when I go to dinner or to the store or to the doctors office (in fact, it bothers me when they assume I can't speak any Italian). In my mind, it goes the same in the US. When I traveled to Portugal, France, Germany, and other countries, I learned frases in every language, and had I been there longer, I would have learned more. Just my thoughts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I learn phrases in the language of every place that I have travelled and have for the most part been successful. (The notable exception is Chinese, I just can't hear the tonal differences.) When I am in a foreign place I think that it is wrong for me to expect everyone else to cater to me. This is not what is happening with the current invasion. Right now my brother in law is having to wait to enter the country and is living apart from his family because he is immigrating legally. It is putting a huge financial burden on his family. It is not fair. There need to be consequences for failing to obey the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 [quote name='Mercy me' post='1604196' date='Jul 20 2008, 07:30 PM']Please note that the Mexican government maintains tight control of their Southern border.[/quote] Of course they do. Every soverign nation on this planet maintains tight control of all their borders...except for the United States. We are the only nation on earth who has such an appallingly high number of illegal aliens residing in our borders...and residing openly...while our government does nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Figured I'd post the actual footage: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZprtPat1Vk"]Obama Vid[/url] The more I think about it, the more I think that this could be something that is being misinterpretted. He could be saying that we should learn more than one language, with Spanish not necessarily the second one. That isn't as inflammatory as I had originally thought. I disagree with anyone that says that we should be a "bilingual country," but I do think that offering our children the opportunity to experience other cultures in the world would go a long way towards mending some of the wounds that have been caused towards those who perceive our country as arrogant and ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rckllnknny Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 (edited) ..nvmnd Edited July 23, 2008 by rckllnknny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rckllnknny Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1597018' date='Jul 10 2008, 01:45 PM']While it is[b] good and noble [/b]and all to learn a second language (and Spanish IS a practical one to choose) it is misguided to say that it is more important for English-speaking Americans to learn Spanish than for Spanish-speaking immigrants to learn English. What next? Are we all to learn Hmong so that Hmong immigrants from Laos and Thailand don't have to bother to learn English? We have a pretty high Russian immigrant population here, should I be brushing up on that so that they don't need to learn English? What about the Somalis? What we need is a better system for educating ALL immigrants in English-- quickly, so that they can ALL function better in America.[/quote] i think this quote was worse than obamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Why? What's wrong with suggesting that we institute a better system for teaching everyone English? English language proficiency is the key to success in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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