puellapaschalis Posted August 2, 2008 Posted August 2, 2008 Oversensitivity is also a possibility. However, it's interesting to note that you expect people to read a thread like this and not be influenced by the things that are said, especially when they came to the situation with no fixed views on the topic.
friendofJPII Posted August 2, 2008 Author Posted August 2, 2008 [quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1615640' date='Aug 2 2008, 04:11 AM']Oversensitivity is also a possibility. However, it's interesting to note that you expect people to read a thread like this and not be influenced by the things that are said, especially when they came to the situation with no fixed views on the topic.[/quote] I'm sorry as said something as offensive as, "it is a good idea to pray the Rosary like 1X or 2X a month." "Or Mary is the surest way to Jeus (which she is)." From this discussion and from TBs post I realized that some may really not be called to pray the Rosary, at least not at a particular time in thier life....but generally speaking, I think some people give up to easily. My purpose was to discuss more than it was to debate. I learned a great deal from this discussion. Thank you everyone, friendofjpii
johnnydigit Posted August 2, 2008 Posted August 2, 2008 [quote name='friendofJPII' post='1615540' date='Aug 1 2008, 09:05 PM']I (a complete stranger)should not have an effect on your prayer life. If I do you need to get a stronger backbone.[/quote] lol harsh! i bet St. Dominic turned a few people away with his constant preaching on the Rosary during his lifetime, but we hope that some hearts looked past any harshness he may have portrayed to the sincerity of his intentions. =================== [indent]If it is carefully watered and properly attended to every day, it will grow to such a marvellous height, and its branches will have such a wide span that, [b]far from hindering your other devotions, it will maintain and perfect them.[/b] Of course, you understand what I mean, since you are spiritually minded; this mystical rose tree is Jesus and Mary in life, death and eternity. .. The miraculous way in which the devotion to the holy Rosary was established is something of a parallel to the way in which God gave his law to the world on Mount Sinai, and it obviously proves its value and importance. .. The Rosary, which he said every day, was his preparation for every sermon and his little tryst with our Lady immediately after preaching. .. As long as priests followed Saint Dominic's example and preached devotion to the holy Rosary, piety and fervour thrived throughout the Christian world and in those religious orders which were devoted to the Rosary. But since people have neglected this gift from heaven, all kinds of sin and disorder have spread far and wide .. So the complete Rosary is a large crown of roses and each chaplet of five decades is a little wreath of flowers or a little crown of heavenly roses which we place on the heads of Jesus and Mary. [b]The rose is the queen of flowers, and so the Rosary is the rose of devotions and the most important one.[/b] .. It is scarcely possible for me to put into words how our Lady esteems the Rosary and how [b]she prefers it to all other devotions.[/b] Nor can I sufficiently express how wonderfully she rewards those who work to make known the devotion, to establish it and spread it nor, on the other hand, how strictly she punishes those who work against it. [/indent] The Secret of the Rosary by St. Louis de Montfort. p.72, #8 [url="http://www.theholyrosary.org/secret.zip"]http://www.theholyrosary.org/secret.zip[/url] [url="http://www.circleofprayer.com/secret34.html"]http://www.circleofprayer.com/secret34.html[/url] ================ granted these words were written before knowledge of the Divine Mercy and other devotions, it still gives a good impression of it. besides, look at all the quotes from it people are posting, time to go read the book! (i've actually read more of it by just looking for quotes.)
johnnydigit Posted August 2, 2008 Posted August 2, 2008 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1615312' date='Aug 1 2008, 02:33 PM']That he did! Don't you just love him??? "Prayer of life!" Do you mind if I use that? Speaking of St. Dominic, I don't believe there have been any Saints in the Church who "were not called" to pray the Rosary. I do believe there were many who struggled with it. For example, St. Terese of Lisieux found it very difficult...but just her constant perserverance in praying it daily brought her extreme grace... So, although technically it isn't necessary for salvation, it sure doesn't hurt it either! [/quote] i actually didn't even know he was the person behind the Rosary until i looked around for this thread! it was exactly one year ago today (August 2, 2007) that i went on my pilgrimage to Italy with the MI and was at the foot of St. Dominic's tomb. didn't know much about him then, but i do now
lilac_angel Posted August 2, 2008 Posted August 2, 2008 (edited) [quote name='johnnydigit' post='1615960' date='Aug 2 2008, 02:30 PM']lol harsh! i bet St. Dominic turned a few people away with his constant preaching on the Rosary during his lifetime, but we hope that some hearts looked past any harshness he may have portrayed to the sincerity of his intentions.[/quote] "Witnesses to the Process for his canonization portray St.Dominic as very humble, loving, kind, compassionate, patient, joyful, sober, chaste, zealous for poverty and for the salvation of souls." [url="http://members.tripod.com/Homilies/english/EngSt.Dominic.htm"]http://members.tripod.com/Homilies/english/EngSt.Dominic.htm[/url] He did fight heresy with a stern and even potentially "harsh" demeanor, but there is no heresy going on in this thread. Edited August 2, 2008 by lilac_angel
friendofJPII Posted August 2, 2008 Author Posted August 2, 2008 (edited) I apologize if it sounded harsh. I was trying to say that one's prayer life should not be based on what people write on phatmass. We can't blame others when it comes to our own prayer life. I wonder if I would get this much flack if I said, "exercise is the surest way to better health...everyone should exercise at least once or twice a month!" Edited August 2, 2008 by friendofJPII
Justin86 Posted August 2, 2008 Posted August 2, 2008 I think chocolate chip cookies are for everyone. Allergic to chocolate, chips, and/or cookies? No...how could that be?
catholic3in1 Posted August 2, 2008 Posted August 2, 2008 [quote name='friendofJPII' post='1609408' date='Jul 26 2008, 07:03 PM']A call to a vocation and a call to a specific prayer are two different things. I have a devotion to the Divine Mercy also. It's [i]very[/i] powerful, I can tell you stories! There are lots of devotions out there, and we can't pray them all, we may be drawn to one or the other. But given the Rosary's strong history in our Church, considering that we come to Jeus through Mary, I think it should have some place in every mature Catholic's life. I don't pray it every day either. I try to pray it nightly with the nuns on EWTN when I remember. I'm not sure how we can honor Our Lady without having some level of devotion to the Rosary.[/quote] I very much agree with you! but I have such a hard time concentrating with the rosary...but I offer that up to God....and try my hardest....
catholic3in1 Posted August 2, 2008 Posted August 2, 2008 [quote name='friendofJPII' post='1615994' date='Aug 2 2008, 05:12 PM']I apologize if it sounded harsh. I was trying to say that one's prayer life should not be based on what people write on phatmass. We can't blame others when it comes to our own prayer life. I wonder if I would get this much flack if I said, "exercise is the surest way to better health...everyone should exercise at least once or twice a month!" [/quote] yes....I have to agree with that too....lol...
johnnydigit Posted August 2, 2008 Posted August 2, 2008 sometimes i turn on EWTN and let mother and the nuns say it for me as i fall asleep
friendofJPII Posted August 2, 2008 Author Posted August 2, 2008 [quote name='johnnydigit' post='1616050' date='Aug 2 2008, 05:27 PM']sometimes i turn on EWTN and let mother and the nuns say it for me as i fall asleep [/quote] me, too:)
IcePrincessKRS Posted August 3, 2008 Posted August 3, 2008 I've been reading through this thread and it really seems be be disintegrating into Catholic vs. Catholic debate which is specifically prohibited by the phorum guidelines. As a result I am closing this thread. I would like to add these closing thoughts: I admire your zeal for the rosary, but there seems to be a lack of compassion and understanding towards those who do not feel called to an intense devotion to the rosary. The Church [b]encourages [/b]devotion to this wonderful prayer, but she [i]does not [/i] [b]require[/b] it of us. Receiving the Eucharist, confession, Mass, the other sacraments, etc., are all [b]requirements[/b]. The rosary is a powerful link to Christ through His Blessed Mother, use of this link is highly [i]encouraged[/i], but even the Blessed Mother didn't say we [b]must[/b] pray it. I would ask that everyone be cautious with their wording when discussing [b]optional devotions[/b] like the rosary because this can be very misleading to those who are not well formed in their faith, or who are not yet Catholic but are in a conversion process, or even merely just looking to learn more or engage in discussion. Presenting proper information is vastly important lest we mislead our brothers and sisters in Christ. God Bless.
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