God Conquers Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 Eastern Orthodox CAN claim that. Did you look at my links? Every Catholic doctrine is biblical.
Donna Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 Dear Dairygirl, My name is Donna, and your last post is the first time I have read civiity tempered with humility in any of your posts (though I have not read them all). I don't know what beef you have, it's really none of my business. But your general rudeness is not befitting a daughter of Jesus and Mary. I chose to not pm you about this, because I do not want my faith shaken. I only speak for myself: dUSt, [i]et al[/i], have been more than sweet and benificent to you. [b][i][color=green]PhatCatholic has been a downright shining knight in armor toward you, treating you seriously, and is the example of a true Catholic gentleman. [/color][/i][/b] We both should be on our knees thanking God for the good will that man has! You should've already given him $10,000. Sincerely in the Holy Family, Donna
frozencell Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 The fact that the Catholic Church compiled the Bible is enough evidence alone without even cracking the cover open to page 1. I'm not a history scholar, but I do read a lot of things that people have to say on here (especially IronMonk) and read books, too. It all makes sense and to be shown the truth and reject it is to reject God, who is Truth. Thank you everyone for your support of the Catholic Church and for providing detailed information for us who do not know, Catholic and non-Catholic alike. Also, those who are not Catholic should heed the words of those who provide this great information, being careful not to throw empty challenges that you have already decided to reject before they start.
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 4, 2004 Author Posted March 4, 2004 (edited) Dear Donna, I am sorry you feel that way! I don't recall ever being impolite, but am sorry if I ever have been. Please show me where I have erred so that I won't do it again. Do you mean my "canned Catholic" stuff? I admit that was a little rough around the edges, but in actual fact, that was all copied from Ironmonk's post but changed "anti-Catholic" to "catholic". I thought the smile at the end would put to sleep any doubts anyone would have had. But not I am not bashing Ironmonk because he means well. he just gets a little too upset at times. But he is clearly very motivated with this faith and that is beautiful. Edited March 4, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c
Carrie Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 4 2004, 12:39 PM'] But not I am not bashing Ironmonk because he means well. he just gets a little too upset at times. But he is clearly very motivated with this faith and that is beautiful. [/quote] He's not getting upset. He is just answereing your challenge in a completely thorough way. You've yet to address his last post. Going to take a shot at it?
ironmonk Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 4 2004, 12:39 PM'] Dear Donna, I am sorry you feel that way! I don't recall ever being impolite, but am sorry if I ever have been. Please show me where I have erred so that I won't do it again. Do you mean my "canned Catholic" stuff? I admit that was a little rough around the edges, but in actual fact, that was all copied from Ironmonk's post but changed "anti-Catholic" to "catholic". I thought the smile at the end would put to sleep any doubts anyone would have had. But not I am not bashing Ironmonk because he means well. he just gets a little too upset at times. But he is clearly very motivated with this faith and that is beautiful. [/quote] I don't get upset. I use ALL CAPS to show emphasis. "they" say that ALL CAPS is shouting... "they" are wrong.... "they" are always trying to tell you want to do... "they" are the biggest spreaders of falsehoods... "they" say a lot but don't back it up with facts... "they" etc.... tone of a post comes from inside our own heads, if we all imagined Mr. Rogers saying everything, then we would not get so offended. Granted; emoticons are used to show tone... but that's another topic God Bless, ironmonk
Donna Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 Dear Dairygirl, "Please show me where I have erred so that I won't do it again." If you aren't careful about being clear (re: your doctrinal, etc, points, as you've stated in various posts) why should others? Donna
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 5, 2004 Author Posted March 5, 2004 (edited) Donna, If I didn't really answer, it would seem somewhat justified on your part. But I have answered everything so it seems you are not talking to me out of spite? Please tell me at least what I have not been clear on, and I will show you where I have already covered it. Edited March 5, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c
the_rev Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 A great Catholic site, is Scott Hahns, [url="http://www.salvationhistory.com"]http://www.salvationhistory.com[/url] Check it out and explore Alos check out www.catholic.com for answers to all your questions about the catholic church.
phatcatholic Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 [quote name='Donna' date='Mar 4 2004, 01:23 AM'] [b][i][color=green]PhatCatholic has been a downright shining knight in armor toward you, treating you seriously, and is the example of a true Catholic gentleman. [/color][/i][/b] We both should be on our knees thanking God for the good will that man has! You should've already given him $10,000. [/quote] hehe, thanks Donna btw, i am sheep bbbaaaaaaaaaaaaa........
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 We all agree with Donna PhatCatholic. .....or should I call you Mr. Sheep?
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 4 2004, 08:04 PM'] Donna, If I didn't really answer, it would seem somewhat justified on your part. But I have answered everything so it seems you are not talking to me out of spite? Please tell me at least what I have not been clear on, and I will show you where I have already covered it. [/quote] Um..... quite the contrary you have not answered "everything." PhatCatholic has made posts of things he's asked you that you have not answered and you still didn't reply to them. I hate to point it out again, but several people have asked you to be clearer in your posts as they are really confusing. Maybe its clear to you because your the one who typed it (I know how that goes, I write things like that all the time) but it leaves alot of us scratching our heads.
Stephen III Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 Hey all, I'm new here so I don't really know the history or the personalities of the posters, but from a cursory review, I'd say that Dairygirl has not been anything but a bit confused and imprecise in her quest of information. I think we should at least give her credit for sticking her neck out and being here in the first place. I do think very adequate answers have been forwarded by Ironmonk, PhatCatholic and others however. Perhaps she'll never aknowledge this, or perhaps years from now she'll feel obligated to pay up! Just a side note on some recent thoughts I've had on anger.: Have you ever wondered why anger is one of the seven deadly sins? It has occured to me recently that anger is a deadly sin (meaning an impediment to life!) because the effect is counter to the effects of grace. Where grace, when received and allowed to flourish perfects our souls, wills, and selves towards a Christ-like perfection, anger if allowed to flourish sets about a destruction of our souls, wills and selves, In as real a way that God's grace transforms us to be perfect as Christ is perfect, anger transforms to something not recognizable as Christ. Christ is true life, truly perfect and we are called to this perfected state and to Life as adopted sons and daughters of God. Anger is deadly in this sense. ......Bottom line, I prefer to keep things light, and show as much charity as can be mustered in my dealings particularly with non-Catholics! That's sometimes hard to do for such a hypocrite as myself. -_- God Bless Steve
frozencell Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 [quote name='Stephen III' date='Mar 5 2004, 10:24 AM'] Just a side note on some recent thoughts I've had on anger.: Have you ever wondered why anger is one of the seven deadly sins? It has occured to me recently that anger is a deadly sin (meaning an impediment to life!) because the effect is counter to the effects of grace. Where grace, when received and allowed to flourish perfects our souls, wills, and selves towards a Christ-like perfection, anger if allowed to flourish sets about a destruction of our souls, wills and selves, In as real a way that God's grace transforms us to be perfect as Christ is perfect, anger transforms to something not recognizable as Christ. Christ is true life, truly perfect and we are called to this perfected state and to Life as adopted sons and daughters of God. Anger is deadly in this sense. ......Bottom line, I prefer to keep things light, and show as much charity as can be mustered in my dealings particularly with non-Catholics! That's sometimes hard to do for such a hypocrite as myself. [/quote] I copy-pasted that to my computer. I'm going to print it out later and hang it on my fridge. Thank you very much for sharing. I hasve a problem with anger sometimes, and I think my family could benefit from this little nugget of insight. Thanks again.
Stephen III Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 (edited) Gosh, That is humbling!...(Down pride..down) It does make you wonder....What if everything we wrote was scrutinized as potential refridgerator material for a families consumption...OR even just what material might be collecting of ourselves on that Big Refridgerator in the Sky! Thank you! God Bless Edited March 5, 2004 by Stephen III
phatcatholic Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 [quote name='Stephen III' date='Mar 5 2004, 09:57 AM'] It does make you wonder....What if everything we wrote was scrutinized as potential refridgerator material for a families consumption...OR even just what material might be collecting of ourselves on that Big Refridgerator in the Sky! [/quote] hehe, amen brother
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 5, 2004 Author Posted March 5, 2004 (edited) I think you guys need to realize that you all would be saying that I am the one answering and you are the one not if you were on my side. If Donna was on my side, she would have been reading into Ironmonk and thinking he is mad. (if I typed in caps, said belittling things like "I don't think you know how to reason" even if I didn't mean it for the sake of insult, or said I should take classes in economics to believe his political view, or said you all make me sick, I don't think you would think I was being a gentleman) This is all why I say he is a lil rough around the edges, I know he's probably not mad, just upset. Of course we all get upset and that's justified. usually Edited March 5, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c
phatcatholic Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 dairygirl, i could make an entire thread of all the questions and arguments i have posted to you in differnet threads that you have never answered. but, i'm not sure if it would be very christian of me to call u out like that. i do want u to know that this isn't about sides. by reading ur responses, it seems as if u just gloss over what i post w/o really trying to understand it. you may not be doing it on purpose, but it is still somewhat trying. we police each other around here. if a catholic member of the pham says something offensive, we usually respond. actually, ironmonk probably catches heat more than anyone here. personally, i haven't seen the "u need to study economics" or the "u make me sick" remarks, so i can't speak on those. i just want u to know that we try not to be biased here. i hope this helps............pax christi, phatcatholic
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Mar 5 2004, 02:09 PM'] dairygirl, i could make an entire thread of all the questions and arguments i have posted to you in differnet threads that you have never answered. but, i'm not sure if it would be very christian of me to call u out like that. i do want u to know that this isn't about sides. by reading ur responses, it seems as if u just gloss over what i post w/o really trying to understand it. you may not be doing it on purpose, but it is still somewhat trying. we police each other around here. if a catholic member of the pham says something offensive, we usually respond. actually, ironmonk probably catches heat more than anyone here. personally, i haven't seen the "u need to study economics" or the "u make me sick" remarks, so i can't speak on those. i just want u to know that we try not to be biased here. i hope this helps............pax christi, phatcatholic [/quote] I know certain less-than-charitable comments have been edited out--which is why many have not seen them. I always check my e-mail for reported content before I ever even come to the phorum. I want a heads up of threads that are getting out of hand so I can take care of the problem asap. If you see something thats offensive then report it! Thats what those little buttons are for. The first portion of PhatCatholic's post is what I was getting at in my previous post, though. When out-right questions are ignored and someone expects all of their questions answered in return I think that thats unfair at the very least. I think that there are alot of ligitimate questions posed on both sides of the debate but the only one I see answering everything he possibly can is PhatCatholic (with the help of a few others, but mainly PC). If you ask for evidence of A and its given and then they ask you B, you don't answer B but bring up C..... do you get what I'm saying?
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