HisChildForever Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1635178' date='Aug 22 2008, 09:47 PM']You're one of the exceptions, because you educate yourself.[/quote] That's sick.
MakeYouThink Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1635173' date='Aug 22 2008, 08:44 PM']It never hurts to try and educate. Plus, don't discredit young people from having the capacity of learning. Maturity comes at many different ages (and sometimes not at all).[/quote] I recognize that. Maturity definitely comes from life experience. I'm basically saying to Selah not to worry too much. Many of them just want to insult people who think differently. It happens all over the world. Everybody thinks their culture is the best culture and everybody should adopt what they do. Young people are definitely more likely to indulge in this, especially young men, because they have too much testosterone!
MakeYouThink Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1635181' date='Aug 22 2008, 08:49 PM']That's sick. [/quote] Ummm, LOL! No intentions. Just saying something nice about you.
Aloysius Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 The belief that Mary did not die at all has no basis in Catholic teaching or Tradition, though Catholic teaching does not exclude the possibility that she did not die, it tends to assume based upon the most ancient traditions that Mary died, was placed in the tomb and after three days the tomb was filled with Roses, her body having been assumed with her soul into heaven. the declaration on the assumption of the blessed virgin refers to it happening "at the end of her earthly life" which is probably the origin of the idea that Mary did not die at all (a belief not found throughout the history of the Church with numerous references in Religious art to the Dormition of the Blessed Virgin) since the statement is ambiguous enough that one might interpret it that way.
MakeYouThink Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Aloysius' post='1635190' date='Aug 22 2008, 09:55 PM']The belief that Mary did not die at all has no basis in Catholic teaching or Tradition, though Catholic teaching does not exclude the possibility that she did not die, it tends to assume based upon the most ancient traditions that Mary died, was placed in the tomb and after three days the tomb was filled with Roses, her body having been assumed with her soul into heaven. the declaration on the assumption of the blessed virgin refers to it happening "at the end of her earthly life" which is probably the origin of the idea that Mary did not die at all (a belief not found throughout the history of the Church with numerous references in Religious art to the Dormition of the Blessed Virgin) since the statement is ambiguous enough that one might interpret it that way. [/quote] I might actually believe this, but there is just one thing. God says there is only one time of resurrection in scripture, and that is after the tribulation period. I use this against pre-tribbers, and since this is the greatest example of pre-trib I have ever seen, I think it should be used here. The resurrection of the dead and mortality putting on immortality happens only once, and after the tribulation, so unless you are saying that God is going to make a second resurrection, you will have to really, really, really give me a full proof argument for me to believe. Edited August 23, 2008 by MakeYouThink
Winchester Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 Post huge sections of the catechism. You want a real headache, go to the michael moore forums.
MakeYouThink Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='Winchester' post='1635199' date='Aug 22 2008, 10:03 PM']Post huge sections of the catechism. You want a real headache, go to the michael moore forums.[/quote] LOL!
Selah Posted August 23, 2008 Author Posted August 23, 2008 [quote]You want a real headache, go to the michael moore forums[/quote] Are you trying to have me killed...
HisChildForever Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1635188' date='Aug 22 2008, 09:54 PM']Ummm, LOL! No intentions. Just saying something nice about you.[/quote] "Sick" is another way of saying "cool" or "awesome."
Winchester Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='Selah' post='1635207' date='Aug 22 2008, 10:07 PM']Are you trying to have me killed... [/quote]They won't hurt you. They are unarmed nincompoops.
MakeYouThink Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1635211' date='Aug 22 2008, 09:08 PM']"Sick" is another way of saying "cool" or "awesome."[/quote] LOL! That shows how little I understand the younger generation. Frick! LOL!
MakeYouThink Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='Winchester' post='1635218' date='Aug 22 2008, 09:12 PM']They won't hurt you. They are unarmed nincompoops.[/quote] LOL! You crack me up!
Selah Posted August 23, 2008 Author Posted August 23, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' post='1635218' date='Aug 22 2008, 11:12 PM']They won't hurt you. They are unarmed nincompoops.[/quote] Ah, so they're like an army of Budges? Edited August 23, 2008 by Selah
Aloysius Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1635195' date='Aug 22 2008, 11:01 PM']I might actually believe this, but there is just one thing. God says there is only one time of resurrection in scripture, and that is after the tribulation period. I use this against pre-tribbers, and since this is the greatest example of pre-trib I have ever seen, I think it should be used here. The resurrection of the dead and mortality putting on immortality happens only once, and after the tribulation, so unless you are saying that God is going to make a second resurrection, you will have to really, really, really give me a full proof argument for me to believe.[/quote] 1. with Christ's ressurection came the ressurection of many saints. 2. this was not a ressurection but an assumption, she did not raise from the dead to live again upon the earth, her body was taken up to heaven and glorified there. the final resurection in the parousia will ressurect the body and it will live in the new heavens and new earth... that is the full promise of the ressurection of the body 3. because the body was assumed and brought into glorified life in heaven where time does not apply, ie eternity; in relation to the timeline her body was assumed and brought into eternal glory at a time other than the final ressurection of the dead, but in the light of eternity her ressurection is one in the same with the promised ressurection of the dead. question: when the tombs were opened with Christ's ressurection, did the just who rose then ascend and recieve glorified bodies?
MakeYouThink Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1635238' date='Aug 22 2008, 09:23 PM']1. with Christ's ressurection came the ressurection of many saints. 2. this was not a ressurection but an assumption, she did not raise from the dead to live again upon the earth, her body was taken up to heaven and glorified there. the final resurection in the parousia will ressurect the body and it will live in the new heavens and new earth... that is the full promise of the ressurection of the body 3. because the body was assumed and brought into glorified life in heaven where time does not apply, ie eternity; in relation to the timeline her body was assumed and brought into eternal glory at a time other than the final ressurection of the dead, but in the light of eternity her ressurection is one in the same with the promised ressurection of the dead. question: when the tombs were opened with Christ's ressurection, did the just who rose then ascend and recieve glorified bodies?[/quote] They stayed in they're graves. Now, I see there is somewhat of a play on words here, between assumption and resurrection, so, we can debate that, because there is a premises behind that those two are not the same thing.
Winchester Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 [quote name='Selah' post='1635222' date='Aug 22 2008, 10:13 PM']Ah, so they're like an army of Budges? [/quote] No. I think Budge has a gun.
mortify Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 Just ask 'em how they know what books constitute the bible canon.
MakeYouThink Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 (edited) Or maybe we shouldn't be religously biased at all, and accept there many honest people who want to live for God and not care! Edited August 23, 2008 by MakeYouThink
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