God's Existance

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1639708' date='Aug 27 2008, 02:58 PM']No offense, but are you blind? Even your sources say that the earth is older than 6,000 years! 62 million years of salt? Last I checked, 62 million is more than 6,000.[/quote]

But what about the magnetic decay of the earth's magnetic field only being 10,000 years old?

The earth is not billions of years old, science doesn't support that.

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1639708' date='Aug 27 2008, 02:58 PM']No offense, but are you blind? Even your sources say that the earth is older than 6,000 years! 62 million years of salt? Last I checked, 62 million is more than 6,000.[/quote]

But what about the magnetic decay of the earth's magnetic field only being 10,000 years old? Or that there is only a few thousand years of helium? And what about the mud on the ocean floor? And why couldn't God have created oceans that already had sodium in them? Why would he create salt water fish without salt water?

The earth is not billions of years old, science doesn't support that.

Edited August 27, 2008 by MakeYouThink

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1639716' date='Aug 27 2008, 02:05 PM']But what about the magnetic decay of the earth's magnetic field only being 10,000 years old? Or that there is only a few thousand years of helium? And what about the mud on the ocean floor? And why couldn't God have created oceans that already had sodium in them? Why would he create salt water fish without salt water?

The earth is not billions of years old, science doesn't support that.[/quote]
You're going to find yourself in a very small minority if you believe that. Science DOES support the earth being billions of years old.

Here's a link that addresses your "proof," though if you have no scientific training, it may not make sense:
[url="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html#creadate"]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of...h.html#creadate[/url]

Edited August 27, 2008 by fidei defensor

[HisChildForever]

[quote]The earth is not billions of years old, science doesn't support that.[/quote]

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1639721' date='Aug 27 2008, 04:08 PM']You're going to find yourself in a very small minority if you believe that. Science DOES support the earth being billions of years old.

Here's a link that addresses your "proof," though if you have no scientific training, it may not make sense:
[url="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html#creadate"]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of...h.html#creadate[/url][/quote]

I read through it, and I do have a background in science.

I also have a background in Journalism, and the question bears to be ask, do they have a vested interest to keep their POV? The same could be said about young Earth ages, and so, who decides? Who is the only one that has the authority to say what is truth and what is not?

People here would say the magisterium, and you would say nobody has the authority to say what is truth, but I have a different opinion, and that God is the only person who has the authority to say it is truth or it is not.

Holy men can be wrong in they're opinions, god forbid. I'm not saying anybody not believing what I believe is in sin, so I don't really care.

Lets leave it be. I think you have gotten all in a huh because you don't want to deal with the real issue, why you don't have faith anymore, and so you want to sidestep it. I know the tactic very well, and you will forever be lost to faith, unless you get out of the box you put yourself in.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1639748' date='Aug 27 2008, 02:21 PM']I read through it, and I do have a background in science.

I also have a background in Journalism, and the question bears to be ask, do they have a vested interest to keep their POV? The same could be said about young Earth ages, and so, who decides? Who is the only one that has the authority to say what is truth and what is not?

People here would say the magisterium, and you would say nobody has the authority to say what is truth, but I have a different opinion, and that God is the only person who has the authority to say it is truth or it is not.

Holy men can be wrong in they're opinions, god forbid. I'm not saying anybody not believing what I believe is in sin, so I don't really care.

Lets leave it be. I think you have gotten all in a huh because you don't want to deal with the real issue, why you don't have faith anymore, and so you want to sidestep it. I know the tactic very well, and you will forever be lost to faith, unless you get out of the box you put yourself in.[/quote]
I know your method as well, to accuse others of trying to avoid things and make yourself out to be the hero who is trying to save my damned soul. I'm not avoiding the faith issue. If I was avoiding it, why would I come back to this phorum? Why would I talk about my disbelief? You're the one who brought up the age of the earth, and no offense, but it's a ridiculous belief. A very small minority of people believe it, none of them serious scientists.

[MakeYouThink]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1639758' date='Aug 27 2008, 03:27 PM']I know your method as well, to accuse others of trying to avoid things and make yourself out to be the hero who is trying to save my damned soul. I'm not avoiding the faith issue. If I was avoiding it, why would I come back to this phorum? Why would I talk about my disbelief? You're the one who brought up the age of the earth, and no offense, but it's a ridiculous belief. A very small minority of people believe it, none of them serious scientists.[/quote]

And that is why I am trying to keep us on topic. I care about you, and I care about your soul. I am not going to say you are damned, but I want to give you how I was brought back to spiritual health.

I want to give you hope. I'm taking you to the river, its up for you to drink it up. Ask yourself this. After I had my doubts, why did I cling to Jesus more and more?

What are your specific doubts?

[Deb]

God's time is not our time. Who can say how many years made up one of God's days in creating the earth?
Someone could prove to me that the earth was a zillion years old and it would not have any bearing on whether or not I believe in God. God has shown me he exists.

According to the Catechism:
When St. Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus declared to him that this revelation did not come ‘from flesh and blood,' but from ‘my Father who is in heaven' (Mt. 16:17; cf. Gal 1:15; Mt 11:25). Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him. ‘Before this faith can be exercised, man must have the grace of God to move and assist him; he must have the interior helps of the Holy Spirit, who moves the heart and converts it to God, who opens the eyes of the mind and ‘makes it easy for all to accept and believe the truth'"


I will pray that God will shower his grace upon you, that you will embrace it, and that your faith will be restored to you.

[havok579257]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1639705' date='Aug 27 2008, 03:55 PM']What are you expecting me to say, exactly? That Satan came to me and said "ABANDON GOD! WOOOOOGA BOOOOGA!!!!"?

I simply stopped believing and fell away. Isn't that a good enough answer for you? It's the truth.[/quote]


That was not the question I was asking. SO what I expect is for you to answer the question I asked which is:

What caused you to believe in christianity at first and was such a strong belief you considered becoming a priest. Becoming a priest is not something done lightly and there is a reason for you belief in the first place, so what was it?