Rome Makes A Statement On A Medjugorje Priest

[Saint Therese]

I've heard a lot of very inspirational "conversion" stories of people who went to Medjugorje.
However, I've also heard that several of the "seers" have become wealthy off their so called visions. Also, priests have acted in defiance of Rome; all this makes me question seriously the legitimacy of the apparitions.
Our Lady at Lourdes repeated strict instructions to Bernadette that she was not to recieve any form of payment whatever for any reason due to the apparitions.

[Deb]

I don't know what one considers rich. I have seen no evidence in the four I have seen. They are married, spouses work, they all take in pigrims, but they don't make a lot of money off that.
The Church is holy, it's members are not. There will always be those, priests or lay people or whomever who will not always be doing the will of God. Take a look at the history of the Church. I can't even believe some of the stuff I have read about people who were supposed to be leading the flock.
The fact that the Vatican took the matter entirely out of the hands of the Bishops there says a lot, to me at least.

[Guest KevinSymonds]

Can the Vatican's letter with the official protocol number on it be provided that states Bishop Peric's authority was removed/stripped?

-Kevin Symonds

[Deb]

[quote name='KevinSymonds' post='1649090' date='Sep 6 2008, 11:32 AM']Can the Vatican's letter with the official protocol number on it be provided that states Bishop Peric's authority was removed/stripped?

-Kevin Symonds[/quote]


Why don't you write the Vatican and ask them or the Commission in Bosnia-Herzogovina? I have a life, I don't have time to do your homework for you. Gaining your belief in Medjugorje is not the prime objective in my life. It really isn't even an objective in my life.

Please, don't worry about my soul, I don't. God is my life. There is nothing in this world that could or would ever change that. I spend almost every moment of my life, when I am not working, in his presence. I would die before I would ever fail him.

[Guest KevinSymonds]

Deb, you made the claim that the Bishop's authority was removed. The burden of proof is upon you to back up your statement.

If you are unwilling to back it up, then you should not have stated your opinion. At the risk of looking bad, you should not say publicly what you are not willing or unable to defend.

I have done nothing but provide the facts and back up what I have said all along. If you do not want to match that then there is only a couple of ways to read you and none of them good.

If you know one thing from my discussion so far, I am quite fluent in discussing Medjugorje's history and facts. If you need further proof of this, please read my article that was just published by the Malta Independent Online.

I have done my homework.

Have you?

-KJS

[johnnydigit]

i heard that one of the Saints (Faustina?) was told by Jesus to request something, but the bishop refused and when her disheartened soul told Jesus, He told her that it was okay because her obedience was more important than whatever he requested.

there are certainly good fruits coming from Medjugorje. a good friend i love and trust had his conversion because of it. [b]however, you must obey the Magisterium[/b]. yes, i believe this obedience is more important than someone's conversion. let God handle that. if He can do it there, He can do it here. you don't *have* to go there or send someone there for an "impossible" conversion. Jesus Himself is right there in the tabernacle at your local church. take a pilgrimage there, and bring lots of faith!

if God inspires someone to buy me a plane ticket there, sure i'll go, otherwise i'll play it safe, trust the Church and let them approve or disapprove in their own time. impatience has caused schisms..

[Saint Therese]

This is just my opinion, but I have no use for apparitions that aren't approved by the Church. Whether or not they are valid I don't know and can't say. Until the Church makes an official and final declaration I avoid it.
That's just me though.

[Majella]

Read somewhere recently that the "seers" were habitually smoking pot at the time of the first "apparition"!

[StColette]

[quote name='Majella' post='1652934' date='Sep 11 2008, 03:32 AM']Read somewhere recently that the "seers" were habitually smoking pot at the time of the first "apparition"![/quote]


Sounds a bit fictitious to me, plus I don't believe its very Christian to be spreading such things that could most likely be slanderous.

[Guest mark waterinckx]

Of course the Vatican’s commission has investigated the activities of Vlasic in Med. He was the first spiritual leader. The CDF accuses him of MANIPULATION OF THE CONSCIENCES. He was spiritual leader of the ‘seers’. Isn’t that clear enough?
The Vatican has confirmed the jurisdiction of Bishop Peric of Mostar by asking him to publish the Roman decree against Vlasic
Vlasic has his headquarter in Med.
He writes frequently in the “Echo of Med.”
He made a nun pregnant already in 1976. The child Toni was born in Germany on Jan. 15 1977. His mother was Sr Rufina, now again Manda Kozul. I possess the original copies of the many loveletters between Vlasic and this nun in that time . He manipulated her in a diabolical way.
In a letter to the pope he called his bishop ‘satan’!
‘Seer’ Marija Pavlovic made a public statement against manipulator Vlasic
Because of disobedience to bishop Zanic he was removed from Med.(where he arrived after Zovko was put in jail by the communists) to Vitina, which parish he left for living together with Agnes Heupel, who now says ‘Our Lady of Med. is not true’
After he was accused of holding satanic séances by a sister of his own community ‘Queen of Peace’ in Chieti-Italy he was degradated from superior to a mere member by a canonical process of a church commission in Italy.
It is Vlasic who invited the charismatic leaders of the whole world to Med. and who started the now thousands of prayergroups…
In the very beginning he wrote an Italian booklet together with Fr Slavko Barbaric PRO Med.
He has told me on taperecorder in Italian how he received ‘messages’ in May 1981 from Fr Tardif and Sr Briege Mc Kenna in Rome during an international charismatic meeting one month before the start of the fraud in Med. in June 1981.
Before 1981 he held in his parish in Capljina strange ‘charismatic’ trainingssessions with youngsters(also the ‘seers???’)
He perjured 2x before his bishop
Because Marija Pavlovic saw him sleeping together with Agnes Heupel in Italy, she left disappointed his community and married Paulo Lunetti.
Vlasic was particularly close to the 2 ofm-rebels, Ivica Vego and Ivan Prusina, who were disciplined by the church on Jan. 29 1982, and defended by the ‘Gospa’!!!

As you see, I have a big file about Vlasic and his involvement is such that he was like the ‘Rasputin of Med.’ I have many documents to prove what I’m saying.

Always available for more info

Pax et Bonum

mark waterinckx

[HollyDolly]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1651061' date='Sep 9 2008, 12:32 AM']This is just my opinion, but I have no use for apparitions that aren't approved by the Church. Whether or not they are valid I don't know and can't say. Until the Church makes an official and final declaration I avoid it.
That's just me though.[/quote]

Forgot the humans invovled here, what about the visions? What are the messages of Our Lady saying? This thing has been going on for years,much longer than say Lourdes, yet it has not been approved or disproved. Are the messages being given to the seers in line with what Jesus taught and said in the Holy Bible? Are they agreeing with the teachings of Holy Mother Church?
Surely if Our Lady is speaking at Med, whatever comes out of her lips would always be in accordance with the words of her son Jesus Christ,and would always refer back to Him
and agree with what He said to the apostles.

[cmotherofpirl]

When the Church issues a final ruling we will have our answer. In the mean time prayer is appropriate for all the people involved, the Church, and ourselves.