Add/adhd

[CatherineM]

[quote name='rachael' post='1653470' date='Sep 11 2008, 08:22 PM']I now know your age. [/quote]

I'm 46 1/2 this month. If you don't believe me, you can whack a leg and count my rings.

[rachael]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1653467' date='Sep 11 2008, 09:16 PM']The difference is kids today don't get out to play like they used to, as parents are afraid to let the kids out of the house. The little bundles of energy have to expend their energy somewhere, and nowadays school is the only option. When I was little we had 1 hour for lunch, and as soon as we were done eating we could go in the schoolyard and play. It made the afternoons much easier for the teachers. Plus we all had to walk to school unless we were more than 1 mile from school, or lived over the hill where the buses couldn't go. Walking 9/10s of a mile in the snow tends to tire you out.[/quote]
Y'all got an hour?! We only got like half an hour...even in elementary school.

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1653472' date='Sep 11 2008, 09:23 PM']I'm 46 1/2 this month. If you don't believe me, you can whack a leg and count my rings.[/quote]
A fellow March birthday!

Edited September 12, 2008 by rachael

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='rachael' post='1653470' date='Sep 11 2008, 09:22 PM']It ended around 3rd grade...and I'm 21.

So, are we basing my diagnoses on the fact that I had twice a day recess? [/quote]


Not at all. I simply don't think the amount of recess has much to do with ADHD or ADD. I think it has a lot to do with other aspects of our society, but not recess.


Edit: sorry my post are kind of short and not overly explainitory--- I am posting on breaks from boarding up my house. Next time I'll get kilroy to help before I get her to evacuate.

Edited September 12, 2008 by Don John of Austria

[rachael]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' post='1653475' date='Sep 11 2008, 09:26 PM']Not at all. I simply don't think the amount of recess has much to do with ADHD or ADD. I think it has a lot to do with other aspects of our society, but not recess.


Edit: sorry my post are kind of short and not overly explainitory--- I am posting on breaks from boarding up my house. Next time I'll get kilroy to help before I get her to evacuate.[/quote]
Ah. I was confused then.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='rachael' post='1653478' date='Sep 11 2008, 10:32 PM']Ah. I was confused then.[/quote]
THe thing about recess is that little kids, particularly boys are bundles of raw energy. If they have no way to burn off some steam, they just can't sit still. If they can't sit still they are many times given a diagnosis instead of simple exercise and discipline.

[Christie_M]

Yeah. Alot of my friends in high school were diagnosed with ADD or ADHD when they were younger, but they eventually grew out of it by the time they were in high school.

My school had 3 recesseses....(ignore my spelling)

kinda


we had our break(about 15min) then lunch(45min) and then P.E. which was fun. But they weren't just breaks cause being in an open field high school, there was always people running around every chance they get.

[philothea]

[quote name='rachael' post='1653426' date='Sep 11 2008, 08:27 PM']Strattera. The first night on it wasn't too nice, but it's been smooth sailing since then.[/quote]

Aha, a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. Looks good.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1653446' date='Sep 12 2008, 01:46 AM']I suspect that if we brought back twice a day recess for grade school, the rate of ADD would go down.[/quote]
Wouldn't that be nice. Though we only had 1 recess, and I'd settle for that. The school I taught in, I wasn't allowed to take the students out for recess until after FCAT (which is in March). And they wondered why there were so many that just couldn't be still. :rollseyes:

[quote name='Don John of Austria' post='1653447' date='Sep 12 2008, 01:48 AM']I suspect if we brought paddling back the rate of ADD would go down.[/quote]
Having taught in a school with paddling, I disagree. While discipline is definitely a factor in such behaviour, just instituting corporal punishment isn't a cure. Of course, I'm not too sure school-wide discipline was implemented in a way that made sense (I mean, kids who got in fights or attacked teachers were sent right back to class half the time), so I can't really speak of other situations. So perhaps my experience with this doesn't really allow me to give an objective view.

[quote name='Don John of Austria' post='1653456' date='Sep 12 2008, 02:05 AM']Because I can assure you in my day there was no twice a day recess, and recess stopped after 2nd grade. Kids today have SO much more down time than we ever did. My mother, who went to a 4 room rural school had no recess after early childhood, they did have an hour lunch where they walked home to eat with their mother but no recess. There is a lot more recess in schools now that there was in my childhood, yet now is when we have all the ADD and ADHD.[/quote]
All depends on where you are. Even when we were allowed to have recess, I was required to have it completely structured, so no letting the kids run around and play as they wished (can't say I ever followed that rule, but I was technically supposed to do so). Most of my students stayed for the after-school programme, and so didn't go home until 6.00, and didn't really run around outside at home because it wasn't all that safe (bad neighbourhood).

[rachael]

[quote name='philothea' post='1653737' date='Sep 12 2008, 01:39 AM']Aha, a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. Looks good. [/quote]
No stimulants.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1653749' date='Sep 12 2008, 05:31 AM']Wouldn't that be nice. Though we only had 1 recess, and I'd settle for that. The school I taught in, I wasn't allowed to take the students out for recess until after FCAT (which is in March). And they wondered why there were so many that just couldn't be still. :rollseyes:[/quote]

AH, the FCAT. I'm well familiar with that. The St. Pete teachers literally spent the entire year teaching to the test instead of teaching the subject. That's why I originally started home schooling the older boy. He was in 4th grade, and they decided not to teach multiplication tables that year because they needed more class time to study for the test. I actually stood up in the principal's office (I was in a wheelchair at the time, so much more dramatic) and screamed, "that's it, we are out of here!" I sat back down, and made sure I scraped her door with my chair on the way out.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1653755' date='Sep 12 2008, 01:04 PM']AH, the FCAT. I'm well familiar with that. The St. Pete teachers literally spent the entire year teaching to the test instead of teaching the subject. That's why I originally started home schooling the older boy. He was in 4th grade, and they decided not to teach multiplication tables that year because they needed more class time to study for the test. I actually stood up in the principal's office (I was in a wheelchair at the time, so much more dramatic) and screamed, "that's it, we are out of here!" I sat back down, and made sure I scraped her door with my chair on the way out.[/quote]
Yeah, we were pretty much told to teach to the test. I got angry about not being allowed to teach social studies. Thankfully, though, that was not the case in the entire district, just a handful of schools.

Edited September 12, 2008 by Archaeology cat

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1653749' date='Sep 12 2008, 06:31 AM']Having taught in a school with paddling, I disagree. While discipline is definitely a factor in such behaviour, just instituting corporal punishment isn't a cure. Of course, I'm not too sure school-wide discipline was implemented in a way that made sense (I mean, kids who got in fights or attacked teachers were sent right back to class half the time), so I can't really speak of other situations. So perhaps my experience with this doesn't really allow me to give an objective view.

[color="#FF0000"]If disipline was not consistant, then the manner of disipline would not matter. I expect if you would not have had the paddle you wouldhave had a worse enviornment. Inconsitant enfocement of disipline is simply tyranny on the school level, tyranny often leads to rebellion, however, a tyranny with a strong threat of force tends to have better control than a tyranny with only a weak threat of force. [/color]
All depends on where you are. Even when we were allowed to have recess, I was required to have it completely structured, so no letting the kids run around and play as they wished (can't say I ever followed that rule, but I was technically supposed to do so). Most of my students stayed for the after-school programme, and so didn't go home until 6.00, and didn't really run around outside at home because it wasn't all that safe (bad neighbourhood).

[color="#FF0000"]Structured play is not recess, it is ... structured play. Since we have decided that 4 year olds need to spend 7 hours at school, something I strongly disagree with, then certianly much of that time shoudl be in structured play, AND much of that time should be at recess. but for older kids, say 8 and above, there is simply not enough time in the day to cover what shoudl be taught and have daily recess and have PE. I am a strong proponant of PE, but it should not be a code for recess, it should [i]be[/i] what it is supposed to be, physical education.[/color][/quote]

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1653755' date='Sep 12 2008, 08:04 AM']AH, the FCAT. I'm well familiar with that. The St. Pete teachers literally spent the entire year teaching to the test instead of teaching the subject. That's why I originally started home schooling the older boy. He was in 4th grade, and they decided not to teach multiplication tables that year because they needed more class time to study for the test. I actually stood up in the principal's office (I was in a wheelchair at the time, so much more dramatic) and screamed, "that's it, we are out of here!" I sat back down, and made sure I scraped her door with my chair on the way out.[/quote]



Wow, at a Catholic school no less, wait your from Canada, Catholic schools recieve public money there, isthere money tied to their test scores as well?

In my time teaching in Catholic schools I never once taught to the Standford, nor was asked to. My test scores were always great easily beeting the best the public schools had to offer.

Alas I have had to go to the dark side and start teaching in a public school, the choice was simple, if I wished to send my son to a Catholic school I cound not afford to keep teaching in one.

[CatherineM]

I am not [i][/i]from[i][/i] Canada. I simply fell in love with a Canadian who couldn't take the heat in Florida. This was a public school. The Catholic schools in Florida are only for the very rich. My boys went to school with a larger percentage of Catholics in public school than they would have in the Catholic schools.

[Archaeology cat]

It's not letting me copy your response to me regarding paddling. Anyway, I also taught there for a year after they stopped paddling, and I had did not have an increase in behaviour problems. In fact, I think there were slightly fewer problems in my class, but little change in the school overall, so probably just that group of kids. But that is a tangent, so I'll stop talking about that.

[quote name='Don John of Austria' post='1653802' date='Sep 12 2008, 02:37 PM']Wow, at a Catholic school no less, wait your from Canada, Catholic schools recieve public money there, isthere money tied to their test scores as well?[/quote]
The FCAT is in Florida. CatherineM only moved to Canada a few years back.

[rachael]

We had mandotory testing, but we never skipped over other studies because of it. FCAT sounds like it smells of elderberries.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1653812' date='Sep 12 2008, 10:16 AM']It's not letting me copy your response to me regarding paddling. Anyway, I also taught there for a year after they stopped paddling, and I had did not have an increase in behaviour problems. In fact, I think there were slightly fewer problems in my class, but little change in the school overall, so probably just that group of kids. But that is a tangent, so I'll stop talking about that.


The FCAT is in Florida. CatherineM only moved to Canada a few years back.[/quote]


Ah it is the Flordian version of the TAKS test. I understand.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='rachael' post='1653816' date='Sep 12 2008, 03:22 PM']We had mandotory testing, but we never skipped over other studies because of it. FCAT sounds like it smells of elderberries.[/quote]
It does. We had testing when I went to school in KY, but it was diagnostic for the most part, and the teachers didn't skip other things just because they weren't on the test. If a child doesn't do well on the FCAT, though, he or she fails that grade (at least in grades 3, 8, and 10, not sure about the others) unless the teacher does an extensive portfolio proving the child really does know the material. Bonuses and school funding are also tied to the FCAT, unless that's changed since I've been gone.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1653809' date='Sep 12 2008, 10:14 AM']I The Catholic schools in Florida are only for the very rich. My boys went to school with a larger percentage of Catholics in public school than they would have in the Catholic schools.[/quote]



Can you explain this, access to catholic schools is an issue I take very seriously, so I looked up some random schools in the Archdiocese of Miami... they were about 10% more than here in Houston, but the average person in Miami makes significantly more than we make here as well.
4-5 thousand a student with a discount for more children doesn't seem like it is only for the super rich. The schools I worked at, and the schools I attended where that much ( accounting for inflation) and most of my students and most of those I went to school with were NOT rich. In fact some were/ are exceedingly poor. Is Miami the exception is the rest of Flordia much more expensive?

And as for the precentage thing, you are saying that as a percentage of the student body there are more catholics in the public school than in the Catholic one, despite the significant up in expenence that many of the schools charge non catholics and non parish members?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' post='1653447' date='Sep 11 2008, 06:48 PM']When exactly was there twice a day recess?

I suspect if we brought paddling back the rate of ADD would go down.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
i had twice a day recess in elementary school. kindergarten through 6th grade. of course that was from 1984 to 1990 (? i don't remember dates well).