Vatican: Guess What, Darwin? Evolution Is Ok

[Terra Pax]

[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26747166/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26747166/[/url]

What do you make of this? I think it's old news... my faith and science are never in conflict since God is the author of science...

[T-Bone _]

At least since JPII, this has been the case...

[mortify]

I personally believe the first man was immediately and miraculously created from the earth.

[Vincent Vega]

This isn't news.
I don't see the need to endorse nor deny evolution; I can see it going either way, and in either case, it has little impact on my faith or other aspects of my life.

EDIT: I wasn't being a nay-sayer to it being posted, I was more sounding my agreement with the OP.

Edited September 19, 2008 by USAirwaysIHS

[Majella]

I don't believe Creationism and evolution are compatible! The "Big Bang"; Humans evolving from apes; etc?
The modernists in the Church are still active!!!!

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Majella' post='1658737' date='Sep 18 2008, 07:58 PM']I don't believe Creationism and evolution are compatible! The "Big Bang"; Humans evolving from apes; etc?
The modernists in the Church are still active!!!![/quote]

The Bible tells us how to go to Heaven, not how the heavens go...

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='mortify' post='1658640' date='Sep 18 2008, 08:17 PM']I personally believe the first man was immediately and miraculously created from the earth.[/quote]

So does Mother Church.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Majella' post='1658737' date='Sep 18 2008, 09:58 PM']I don't believe Creationism and evolution are compatible! The "Big Bang"; Humans evolving from apes; etc?
The modernists in the Church are still active!!!![/quote]
Is it that some are modernist, or that some are afraid of science?

[Nihil Obstat]

I never have seen any conflict between science and religion.
Basically... (to me) the science that is true is true no matter what. Obviously that means God created it to be so. That makes it a holy part of Creation.
Evolution seems to be no less a miracle to me.

PS: by saying this I don't want to give the impression that I'm calling evolution a proven truth. I know that there are still conflicts over some aspects, so I was talking in general terms.

[Terra Pax]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1658855' date='Sep 19 2008, 12:49 AM']I never have seen any conflict between science and religion.
Basically... (to me) the science that is true is true no matter what. Obviously that means God created it to be so. That makes it a holy part of Creation.
Evolution seems to be no less a miracle to me.

PS: by saying this I don't want to give the impression that I'm calling evolution a proven truth. I know that there are still conflicts over some aspects, so I was talking in general terms.[/quote]
i agree. science is the explanation of what God has made, it can't be wrong. what can be wrong, however, is how humans interpret it.

[mortify]

It's all good as long as we remember reason is subject to faith, and not the other way around.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Terra Pax' post='1658616' date='Sep 18 2008, 06:53 PM'][url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26747166/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26747166/[/url]

What do you make of this? I think it's old news... my faith and science are never in conflict since God is the author of science...[/quote]

not surprising. seen this coming a mile away

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Majella' post='1658737' date='Sep 18 2008, 08:58 PM']I don't believe Creationism and evolution are compatible! The "Big Bang"; Humans evolving from apes; etc?
The modernists in the Church are still active!!!![/quote]

word

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='mortify' post='1659390' date='Sep 19 2008, 04:12 PM']It's all good as long as we remember reason is subject to faith, and not the other way around.[/quote]
I prefer to look at it... that one isn't subject to the other because neither contradict each other. Ever. They just can't. It's like if you wrote a story, and someone tried to tell you that you interpreted it incorrectly.
So obviously if there was ever a question between our Catholic beliefs and science, we would know that science is incorrect and more research has to be done. It's not that faith "takes precedende", it's just... I dunno what you'd call it. A law on noncontradiction.

[Terra Pax]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1659418' date='Sep 19 2008, 05:58 PM']I prefer to look at it... that one isn't subject to the other because neither contradict each other. Ever. They just can't. It's like if you wrote a story, and someone tried to tell you that you interpreted it incorrectly.
So obviously if there was ever a question between our Catholic beliefs and science, we would know that science is incorrect and more research has to be done. It's not that faith "takes precedende", it's just... I dunno what you'd call it. A law on noncontradiction.[/quote]
precisely, because God made everything in the universe, it can't contradict reason. because science is inherently objective in terms of not contradicting reason yet subjective in terms of interpretation, you can't always assume every scientific advancement has made it to the stage of being objectively true until it lines with reason.

[goldenchild17]

reason and faith don't contradict each other, but that doesn't mean that evolution is reasonable

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1659423' date='Sep 19 2008, 05:05 PM']reason and faith don't contradict each other, but that doesn't mean that evolution is reasonable[/quote]
It doesn't mean evolution [b]has to be[/b] reasonable.
Personally, I don't see any reason why it cannot be though.
Like I said, by the way, I know that there are still some aspects that the scientific community readily admits are not explained yet, and I know some theories get into some grey areas with faith, so I won't say a word about them for the time being.

[Terra Pax]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1659423' date='Sep 19 2008, 06:05 PM']reason and faith don't contradict each other, but that doesn't mean that evolution is reasonable[/quote]
the problem with that is that this isnt just some idea that was thrown from the sky. you cant just look at an overview and say "oh, this doesnt look reasonable. isnt true." it's a scientific theory with all the evidence and backing of any other scientific theory. you have to have a certain understanding of it to make those kinds of judgments. I have no idea what kind of scientific background you have, so i wont assume, but in many cases, simple lay people are making judgments about things where they have no place to make judgments.

i for one find no contradiction in what the church says is compatible between evolution and the faith.

[goldenchild17]

I don't make any statements based on my own knowledge of science, just as I don't make any judgments on doctrine based on my own authority. I believe what I believe about faith because I place my trust in those who are more than competent to speak on such issues. In the same way I believe what I believe about science because I place my trust in those who are fully capable of speaking on scientific matters. I don't have to understand it all. But I can speak on what I do know, just as I don't fully understand the Trinity, but I can tell people what I know about it.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1659444' date='Sep 19 2008, 05:30 PM']I don't make any statements based on my own knowledge of science, just as I don't make any judgments on doctrine based on my own authority. I believe what I believe about faith because I place my trust in those who are more than competent to speak on such issues. In the same way I believe what I believe about science because I place my trust in those who are fully capable of speaking on scientific matters. I don't have to understand it all. But I can speak on what I do know, just as I don't fully understand the Trinity, but I can tell people what I know about it.[/quote]
That's funny, because it appears like someone who truly is an authority said something rather (dare I include this particular word usage?) radically different from you?
...but of course, you "don't rep pope."
Pax. I'm just teasing.