Vatican Criticizes American Religious Orders

[Saint Therese]

News Briefs
Strong criticism of US religious orders from Vatican prefect
October 14, 2008
Cardinal Franc Rode, prefect of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, offered strong and trenchant criticism of older religious orders in the US during a recent talk in Massachusetts. ‘There are those who have opted for ways that take them outside communion with Christ in the Catholic Church, although they themselves may have opted to ‘stay’ in the Church physically,’ he said. Criticizing the ‘hermeneutic of discontinuity’ in postconciliar religious life and pointing to the vitality of younger communities, Cardinal Rode called upon religious to be faithful to the teaching of the Church, the person of the Holy Father, and the charisms of their founders.


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[Veritas]

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Well, this is no surprise -sadly. I don't see any active links?

[Mari Therese]

Canada has an equally bad situation

[DevotedtoHim]

What does this mean? Sorry, I don't understand this at all.
Katherine

[stlmom]

[url="http://www.zenit.org/article-23916?l=english"]Cardinal Rode[/url]

Here is a link to the Cardinal's address on this topic. An excellent read if you have the time.

[ruso]

Spain is also not good, the gentleman on the left, is the superior of the Dominicans, go way to appear before the Cardinal Gasco.

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These gentlemen are the superiors of five Capuchin provinces of Spain.
It seems friars?

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[frateumile]

What pain! I pray our Lord to forgive us and to teach to us the road in order to return to the tradition when who embraced the religious life he was a penance witness for austere look and for the poverty of the religious habit.

[tinytherese]

[quote name='ruso' post='1679927' date='Oct 17 2008, 03:46 PM']Spain is also not good, the gentleman on the left, is the superior of the Dominicans, go way to appear before the Cardinal Gasco.

[img]http://www.archivalencia.org/documentos/ficheros_noticias/Dominicos%20cabecera.jpg[/img]


These gentlemen are the superiors of five Capuchin provinces of Spain.
It seems friars?

[img]http://www.db.ofmcap.org/ofmcap/allegati/2492/nav1.jpg[/img][/quote]

And people talk so much about the importance of [i]women [/i]wearing the habit. We need to focus on the male habit too.

[Saint Therese]

[quote name='ruso' post='1679927' date='Oct 17 2008, 03:46 PM']Spain is also not good, the gentleman on the left, is the superior of the Dominicans, go way to appear before the Cardinal Gasco.

[img]http://www.archivalencia.org/documentos/ficheros_noticias/Dominicos%20cabecera.jpg[/img]


These gentlemen are the superiors of five Capuchin provinces of Spain.
It seems friars?

[img]http://www.db.ofmcap.org/ofmcap/allegati/2492/nav1.jpg[/img][/quote]

[tnavarro61]

[quote name='ruso' post='1679927' date='Oct 18 2008, 04:46 AM']Spain is also not good, the gentleman on the left, is the superior of the Dominicans, go way to appear before the Cardinal Gasco.

[img]http://www.archivalencia.org/documentos/ficheros_noticias/Dominicos%20cabecera.jpg[/img]


These gentlemen are the superiors of five Capuchin provinces of Spain.
It seems friars?

[img]http://www.db.ofmcap.org/ofmcap/allegati/2492/nav1.jpg[/img][/quote]

yes, this is very surprising. quite the same in my country. Some religious men wear their habits during Mass only, or when they go to give meetings, public talks, then they take them off. I once read in a newspaper, some kind of editorial, that asks the religious to wear their habits, not just ordinary polos.

Sometimes I think of nuns here who wear their thick habits, even if no one sees them. I asked a nun, the portress, if it uncomfortable(she's a poor clare), and she said yes, it's too hot (we're a tropical country) but that won't "take their habit" away. they wear it as a sign of consecration, as penance. I was very happy to hear her answer. They still wear the head covering (is it the wimple), the mantle.

How I wish religious men, as well as priests, will wear their habits.

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='tnavarro61' post='1680560' date='Oct 18 2008, 03:48 PM']Sometimes I think of nuns here who wear their thick habits, even if no one sees them. I asked a nun, the portress, if it uncomfortable(she's a poor clare), and she said yes, it's too hot (we're a tropical country) but that won't "take their habit" away. they wear it as a sign of consecration, as penance. I was very happy to hear her answer. They still wear the head covering (is it the wimple), the mantle.[/quote]

I was in the Phillies in [i]January[/i] this year and I found it overbearingly warm: any lady who can deal with a thick habit in those temps and humidity has my respect, although I wouldn't blame anyone who opted for a thinner one.

[the lords sheep]

I go to school with Dominicans who wear the habit, and I must say that daily when I see them teaching I reflect on the significance and the power of the habit.
I think, however, that the habit is (unfortunately) not the only area which many modern religious are struggling. It seems that a number have forgotten that they are called within the context of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and thus are to adhere to all She teaches.

[Sister Rose Therese]

This was at a symposium on apostolic religious life.
You can read the transcripts of Cardinal Rode's talk and others here.
[url="http://www.stonehill.edu/x14963.xml"]http://www.stonehill.edu/x14963.xml[/url]

[tnavarro61]

[quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1680563' date='Oct 18 2008, 09:59 PM']I was in the Phillies in [i]January[/i] this year and I found it overbearingly warm: any lady who can deal with a thick habit in those temps and humidity has my respect, although I wouldn't blame anyone who opted for a thinner one.[/quote]

I"m glad you've been to my country! What part of the Philippines have you been?

The OCD Nuns here in our city still wear the wimple, the cowl-like veil, and their mantles. Some don't.

Should we start campaigning for the "habits for men"?

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='tnavarro61' post='1681094' date='Oct 19 2008, 10:55 AM']I"m glad you've been to my country! What part of the Philippines have you been?

The OCD Nuns here in our city still wear the wimple, the cowl-like veil, and their mantles. Some don't.

Should we start campaigning for the "habits for men"?[/quote]

Manila and Antipolo. Will you help me with my Tagalog?

[Brother Ed]

How sad that the superiors in the photo could not wear their habit, not even in the presence of the Cardinal. We have gotten away with many things in the church.
Someone asked me why some Religious Community's do not wear their habits. All I could tell them is "they are letting society control them." I have seen priests and religious get offended when someone refers them to Ms or Sir. Well if you wore your habit or collar, people would know who you are.
As for this Franciscan Brother, I am always in my habit. I wear it proudly, and also honored to wear it.
Don't be afraid of who you are!

[tinytherese]

[quote name='Brother Ed' post='1681193' date='Oct 19 2008, 01:57 PM']How sad that the superiors in the photo could not wear their habit, not even in the presence of the Cardinal. We have gotten away with many things in the church.
Someone asked me why some Religious Community's do not wear their habits. All I could tell them is "they are letting society control them." I have seen priests and religious get offended when someone refers them to Ms or Sir. Well if you wore your habit or collar, people would know who you are.
As for this Franciscan Brother, I am always in my habit. I wear it proudly, and also honored to wear it.
Don't be afraid of who you are![/quote]


I remember being at a camp one summer called "Christian Leadership Institute" (it really should have been named Catholic Leadership Institute considering that it was so specifically catholic in nature even with just one camper who was protestant) and one religious sister helped out at the camp. She wasn't in habit. On the first day we put on our name tags and one girl saw the sister's and thought that she was spanish or something because of the abreviation "Sr." on it like in senora.

Really, why don't all male and female religious wear the habit? It's like having married individuals not wearing their wedding rings so that they can "blend in" with their single pals as if there is no differentiation between them. Imagine another man trying to pick you up and when you tell him that you're already married he doesn't believe you. "If you are then where's your ring?" Besides, when looking at a wedding band one remembers the vows made to their spouse which can help them when they are having trouble in their marriage.

My mom still doesn't get why I'm discerning with just communities in the habit. When I was determined to join a comtemplative community she asked who else would be there in the convent other than the other sisters (and the preist that says mass and hears confessions,) so why wear a habit because it's not like I'm witnessing to the outside world. What do I needed a reminder for? Well, I do need it for my own sake, to stay strong and true. Besides, even if I would be in a cloister it is still a sign of my full dedication to my Beloved and is definitely a sign of contradiction. Family and friends of a religious can even be taken a back when seeing the habit. "Wow, this is how much God means to them. They are willing to surrender everything to Him, even their own wardrobe. This God must be a wonderful one then if they are going to do this for Him."

Edited October 19, 2008 by tinytherese

[Saint Therese]

[quote name='tinytherese' post='1681217' date='Oct 19 2008, 02:43 PM']I remember being at a camp one summer called "Christian Leadership Institute" (it really should have been named Catholic Leadership Institute considering that it was so specifically catholic in nature even with just one camper who was protestant) and one religious sister helped out at the camp. She wasn't in habit. On the first day we put on our name tags and one girl saw the sister's and thought that she was spanish or something because of the abreviation "Sr." on it like in senora.

Really, why don't all male and female religious wear the habit? It's like having married individuals not wearing their wedding rings so that they can "blend in" with their single pals as if there is no differentiation between them. Imagine another man trying to pick you up and when you tell him that you're already married he doesn't believe you. "If you are then where's your ring?" Besides, when looking at a wedding band one remembers the vows made to their spouse which can help them when they are having trouble in their marriage.

My mom still doesn't get why I'm discerning with just communities in the habit. When I was determined to join a comtemplative community she asked who else would be there in the convent other than the other sisters (and the preist that says mass and hears confessions,) so why wear a habit because it's not like I'm witnessing to the outside world. What do I needed a reminder for? Well, I do need it for my own sake, to stay strong and true. Besides, even if I would be in a cloister it is still a sign of my full dedication to my Beloved and is definitely a sign of contradiction. Family and friends of a religious can even be taken a back when seeing the habit. "Wow, this is how much God means to them. They are willing to surrender everything to Him, even their own wardrobe. This God must be a wonderful one then if they are going to do this for Him."[/quote]


I've gotten a few blank stares and odd looks when I mentin that the community I'm discerning with is very traditional and wears the full habit. I couldn't even consider a community that didn't wear a habit.

[ruso]

If only it were a matter of habits, many religious, going against Catholic doctrine and the hierarchy.
As this Jesuit, has been quite favorable to genetic selection of embryos, discarding those that are not selected and scientific research with embryonic cells.
He was away from his professorship in a pontifical university, I wonder who expects "the company" to expel him.

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[EWIE]

"As for this Franciscan Brother, I am always in my habit. I wear it proudly, and also honored to wear it."


If I may ask politely please.
Is your order an authentic Religious Order in the Roman Catholic Church?
Are married men admitted into your Order?
How long has the Church recognized your Order as genuine and acceptable for acknowlegement?

Thank you