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[BG45]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1680393' date='Oct 18 2008, 12:51 AM']Yes it would, but -- of course -- the person who started this thread already indicated that he is going to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.[/quote]

True. Indicated, flaunted (as T-Bone put it), evangelized...

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='DannyBoy' post='1680020' date='Oct 17 2008, 11:36 PM']This nation is perishing beause we all voted for Bush on account of his Pro-Life stance. What and where has it gotten us? Has the data been significant enough to make you feel good about voting for him? Abortions are still on the rise and Bush cares less for women. This person's informed and contrite conscience will not allow a vote for McCain/Palin.[/quote]
You might want to look at Factcheck, a non-partisan website, about your claim that abortions have been on the rise under Bush. [url="http://www.factcheck.org/society/the_biography_of_a_bad_statistic.html"]Here's the link[/url], and below is an excerpt. Bear in mind that the evidence is from the Guttmacher Institute, which is associated with Planned Parenthood & really doesn't have any reason to make Bush look good, considering he's placed restrictions on abortion.

[quote]In fact, according to the respected Alan Guttmacher Institute, a 20-year decline in abortion rates continued after Bush took office (see the link for the graph). . .

What it found was that the number of abortions decreased nationwide – by 0.8% in 2001 and by another 0.8% in 2002. The abortion rate , which is the number of women having abortions relative to the total population, also decreased 1% in 2001 and 0.9% in 2002. That's not as rapid a decrease as had been seen in earlier years, but it is a decrease nonetheless.[/quote]

So no, abortions haven't been on the rise - they've been declining. I seriously doubt that abortions would continue to decline under Obama, however, considering he wants to sign the FOCA.

[quote name='Spamity Calamity' post='1680202' date='Oct 18 2008, 01:59 AM']I thought that guys banner was a joke for a second. A Catholic for Obama is like a chicken for Colonel Sanders.[/quote]

[Sparky]

Part of the problem is, the guy's not gonna unite these United States. We might have the Civil War part 2 between liberals and Christians. And since Obama would have 'control' of the military, us Christians (and true Catholics are true Christians) would probably get the short end of the stick.

Obama will hand us over to the UN, and try to mirror our country in accordance with the laws of the UN. That means that the UN curriculum will be taught in every school, abortion will run rampant, our military will be downsized to the point where we aren't even a threat to a street gang, and so on... The guy is not good for our country. I admit, McCain might have a few issues to work out as well, but at least he will try to keep America American.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't really want to live in Europe right now, and that is what is going to happen here in the States if Obama is elected.

Keep in mind also, before you throw away a vote for a third party candidate that doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell of winning, every vote not for McCain at this point is a vote spread increase for Obama.

[HisChildForever]

[quote]Keep in mind also, before you throw away a vote for a third party candidate that doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell of winning, every vote not for McCain at this point is a vote spread increase for Obama.[/quote]

Very well said.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Spamity Calamity' post='1680202' date='Oct 17 2008, 09:59 PM']I thought that guys banner was a joke for a second. A Catholic for Obama is like a chicken for Colonel Sanders.[/quote]

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1680587' date='Oct 18 2008, 08:27 AM']Very well said.[/quote]
Yes.

very well said except winning is not based off a spread increase; it's based off actual votes.

If I want obama to win, I vote for him; if i don't, i don't.

I don't buy the "A vote for anybody but McCain is a vote for Obama" line of thinking. A vote for Candidate A is not a vote for Candidates B or C. It's a vote for candidate A.

The rest is fear mongering in it's highest form.

Some others have summarized this far more eloquently than I could:

[i]Nonetheless, I will vote for a doomed quixotic candidate out of a romantic belief that what I do will be seen by God, even if it has no measurable impact on my fellow citizens. At some point, it seems to me that citizens of a free society need to behave as though they are citizens of a free society and not merely ingredients in a statistical bloc who are expected to obey a sort of theory of intellectual hydraulics that predicts who they should vote and commands them to do so.[/i] - Mark Shea

[Sparky]

[quote name='MIkolbe' post='1680615' date='Oct 18 2008, 10:40 AM']The rest is fear mongering in it's highest form.[/quote]
Ok, I can agree with that, but don't you think it is at least a legitimate fear?

As for voting for the underdog: I understand what you're saying, but since I am a bad Catholic , I think I am going to vote for the guy that scares me the least, and has more of a chance of winning.

God bless, (and no hard feelings)

Edited October 18, 2008 by Sparky

[MIKolbe]

i am not sure the 'degree' of fear is important. i might be wrong.

If you feel one candidate is the lesser of 2 evils, and there is another candidate who is 'not' evil...wouldn't you want to vote for that candidate?

As for being a bad catholic, the line starts behind me. LOL.

but we still gotta try

Maybe we should vote for someone who doesn't scare us at all? if that is possible?

no hard feelings

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='MIkolbe' post='1680627' date='Oct 18 2008, 10:04 AM']i am not sure the 'degree' of fear is important. i might be wrong.

If you feel one candidate is the lesser of 2 evils, and there is another candidate who is 'not' evil...wouldn't you want to vote for that candidate?

As for being a bad catholic, the line starts behind me. LOL.

but we still gotta try

Maybe we should vote for someone who doesn't scare us at all? if that is possible?

no hard feelings [/quote]


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[Sparky]

Good question... I'll hafta think about that one for a while... Letcha know in January...