frozencell Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 I am in a debate right now and sometimes I get in over my head because I'm new. I don't want to misrepresent so I need someone to help me with a historical rebuttal to the following: BTW, you are just plain wrong about the Bible originally containing the Apocrypha. I have already been throught that with the Catholics on another thread. There is no possible way that those books were ever contained in the early Bibles, seeing that they were rejected by Jews and early Christians alike. Even Josephus attests to the fact that they were not in the O.T. canon. Please help!!!!! Thank you!
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/DEUTEROS.HTM"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/DEUTEROS.HTM[/url] I found that on EWTN, but I'm also doing a quick search through old posts here. I know we've gone over this many times, and if I can find anything from Ironmonk and some others it should be very useful to you.
frozencell Posted March 10, 2004 Author Posted March 10, 2004 You're an absolute life saver! It's so perfect!!!! Thank you a thousand times!
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?act=Search&nav=&CODE=show&searchid=61f5043ad084c00ea57f16f19dfcd30b&search_in=posts&result_type=posts&hl=&st=0"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?a...=posts&hl=&st=0[/url] That link has 2 pages of looong posts by our dear PhatMass apologists. There are a couple posts with Scripture citations which refer back to and/or quote the deuterocanonical books. And you're very welcome.
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 Oh, and a couple of the posts from that link are from non-Catholics, but I'm pretty sure you'll be able to tell which is which.
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?act=Search&CODE=show&searchid=a74e63e7663e2e837cd6f85fc893ff79&search_in=posts&result_type=posts&highlite=apocrypha"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?a...hlite=apocrypha[/url] That link was from a search for posts containing the word "apocrypha," there are 6 pages but probably 2 of them are the same as the deuterocanonical posts.
frozencell Posted March 10, 2004 Author Posted March 10, 2004 Again, you are the best. Besides my wife, of course! Hee hee... I love you, honey!!!!!
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 lol I'll gladly stand second best to her! Your wife rocks.
MrsFrozen Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 Hahah! I love you, too. IcePrincess, you rock!! I am in the middle of reading the article you posted. Even if what the guy is claiming on the BB were true (which I doubt), certainly there was never any problem with these books until good ol' Marty decided he wanted to get up in the mix and switch things around. While you're at it, maybe ask him to explain exactly why certain portions of Daniel and Esther were cut out? For what reason are these uninspired? Also, please ask him exactly what makes the deuterocanonicals uninspired in the first place. If he gives you the bit about them not being quoted in the NT, ask him to explain why other books in the OT aren't quoted, and those are considered to be inspired. God bless!!!
MrsFrozen Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 (edited) Just wanted to add that I am reading Sirach.. It's a wonderful book! Edited March 10, 2004 by MrsFrozen
MrsFrozen Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 (edited) Sorry.. Double post! Dear Frozencell, please keep us updated on your progress. Let me know if you want me to join you in the fight! God bless. Edited March 10, 2004 by MrsFrozen
frozencell Posted March 10, 2004 Author Posted March 10, 2004 [quote name='MrsFrozen' date='Mar 9 2004, 08:20 PM'] Hahah! I love you, too. IcePrincess, you rock!! I am in the middle of reading the article you posted. Even if what the guy is claiming on the BB were true (which I doubt), certainly there was never any problem with these books until good ol' Marty decided he wanted to get up in the mix and switch things around. While you're at it, maybe ask him to explain exactly why certain portions of Daniel and Esther were cut out? For what reason are these uninspired? Also, please ask him exactly what makes the deuterocanonicals uninspired in the first place. If he gives you the bit about them not being quoted in the NT, ask him to explain why other books in the OT aren't quoted, and those are considered to be inspired. God bless!!! [/quote] First, I LOVE how you used my lil' phras, "good ol' Marty". You are awesome. Secondly, we're working on that. Somehow, I just got sucked into a debate about John 6, too. The battle must be fought on so many fronts!!!!! Pray for the Lord's guidance in my typing!
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 You have my prayers! Keep this up and you'll get banned from the BB, too! I guess thats what you get for definding Truth to a bunch of anti-Catholics. (Not that all of them are anti, because I know there are a few good eggs there, Bro. and Mrs. Adam post on the BB.
frozencell Posted March 10, 2004 Author Posted March 10, 2004 (edited) Please pray for me. He is a very anti-Catholic Baptist, but I am finding it hard to take him seriously because of this picture. Please pray for my humility and compassion. *Picture has been removed after a little motive questioning.* Edited March 10, 2004 by frozencell
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 :rotfl: I'd have a hard time of it, too! As I said, you are in my prayers!
MrsFrozen Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 Honey, I think you posted that picture for us to make fun of him! WWJD? You have lost your kindness, humility, and understanding. I will pray for you to St. Anthony so that you'll find it. You should do the same. Also, pray for him! He has probably been told these things a million times by Catholic apologetics, and doesn't want to believe it. He may be someone who just plain enjoys hating Catholics. Send me a link and I will join the board and see if I can help. I love you.
frozencell Posted March 10, 2004 Author Posted March 10, 2004 Go to BaptistBoard.com and click the HUGE link right in front of you. They personally regiter you after review so it might not be until tomorrow that you can post. That's how it was for me. I love you!
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