Father

[jmjtina]

[quote]:BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH SHOING IGNORANCE HERE SPOUTING OFF HATRED TOWARDS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH calling Catholic Hierarchy a tool of satan because i'm afraid to do some mesely Good for Jesus Christ whom i should see  in all people:


[b]okay, that was a paraphrase of the last paragraph[/b] [/quote]

yeah, that's what I got.......

I don't see what the point of posting the article DG if it disagrees with your original argument. from the article:

[quote]Anyone who adheres to such a gross perversion of the gospel cannot be saved.[/quote]

so this [b]contradicts[/b] [i]your theory [/i] DG. by your theory, we are all saved regardless of what we do or believe in because we are already forgiven.

my question is, why even give an article for us to read ( very anti-catholic by the way) if you yourself disagree with it? Try going to an unbiased resource.....

The article was so poor in taste, and so blantly anti-catholic, it's unbelieveable that so many are ignorant of what the Catholic Church really teaches and believes in. Where's the love? :wub: However, Al made it worth reading...... :pc:

Al, you are awesome. :tiphat:

Peace and God Bless DG.

[Damiano]

*["we are saved by grace through faith..."]

***Correct.

*["...[i]Ephesians 2:8 [/i]faith does not live in us without works. [i]James 2:17[/i] therefore because of our works we keep our faith and thus keep our salvation."]

***You are in error. "It is by grace (i.e., God's unmerited favor) you have been saved"...and adding that the means of this salvation is "through faith." Hence the basis is GRACE and the means is FAITH alone [Romans 3:22, 25;Galatians 2:16;1 Peter 1:5]. Faith is NOT a "work"...it does not merit salvation; it is only the means by which one accepts God's free salvation.

Paul elaborated, "And this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God." This salvation does NOT have its source in man (it is "not from yourselves"), but rather, its source is God's grace for "it is the GIFT of God."

[Ephesians 2:9] reinforces this by showing that the means is "not by works" since its basis is GRACE [Romans 3:20, 28;4:1-5;11:6;Galatians 2:16;2 Timothy 1:9;Titus 3:5], and its means is FAITH [Romans 4:5]. Therefore since no person can bring salvation to himself by his own efforts, "no man can boast" [Romans 3:27;1 Corinthians 1:29]. Their boasting can only be in the Lord [1 Corinthians 1:31].

Verse [Ephesians 2:10] beginning with "For" tells why this salvation is NOT from man or by his works. The reason is that salvation is "God's workmanship." The word "workmanship" (poiema), is used only here and in {Romans 1:20] and denotes a work of art or a masterpiece. It differs from human "works" (ergon) in [Ephesians 2:9]. Believers are God's workmanship because they have been "created" (a work only God can do) "in Christ Jesus." The purpose of this CREATION is that believers will "do good works." God's workmanship is NOT achieved by good works...but it is to RESULT IN GOOD WORKS [Titus 2:14;3:8].

In the clause, "which God prepared in advance for us to do," the word "which" refers back to the "works" in the previous clause. "For us to do" is literally "in order that we might walk in them." The purpose of these prepared-in-advance work is NOT "to WORK in them" but "to WALK in them." In other words, God has prepared a path of good works for believers which he will perform IN and THROUGH them as they walk by FAITH. This does not mean doing a work for God...instead it is God performing His work IN and THROUGH believers [Philippians 2:13]. This path of good works is discussed by Paul in Ephesians 4-6.

In conclusion, [Ephesians 2:1-10] demonstrates that though people were spiritually dead and deserving only God's wrath...God, in His marvelous grace, has provided salvation through FAITH. Believers are God's workmanship IN whom and THROUGH whom He PERFORMS good works

Damiano.

[Skinzo]

Dairygirl,
I'm wondering why the first option in your poll is actually the question you are asking? I'm also wondering why the majority here have picked that!?

S.

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote name='Skinzo' date='12 May 2010 - 08:50 AM' timestamp='1273668623' post='2109287']
Dairygirl,
I'm wondering why the first option in your poll is actually the question you are asking? I'm also wondering why the majority here have picked that!?

S.
[/quote]

typo i suppose?
i dont remember that occurrence back when this poll was originally made.
i dont know why others voted that option, either. ?
also i would think the poll would not be allowed made without a leading question etc, so i wonder if there's a technical error.

Edited May 12, 2010 by dairygirl4u2c