Priest: No Communion For Obama Supporters

[jmjtina]

[quote]"It was not an attempt to make a partisan point," Newman said in a telephone interview Thursday. "In fact, in this election, for the sake of argument, if the Republican candidate had been pro-abortion, and the Democratic candidate had been pro-life, everything that I wrote would have been exactly the same."[/quote]
[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27705755/"]Full Story HERE[/url]

[url="http://www.americanpapist.com/blog.html"]and commentary by the AmP and a poll.[/url]

[Maria Faustina]

Thank You, Father Newman! It's about time someone took a stand! I'm soo glad I can call him my priest!

[Noel's angel]

There seems to be a positive trend coming out in America these days. More priests and bishops are standing up for what is True.

[alicemary]

I find this sad and uncalled for. People are deserting our churches in droves, no wonder.

[Didacus]

[quote name='alicemary' post='1701108' date='Nov 14 2008, 09:27 AM']I find this sad and uncalled for. People are deserting our churches in droves, no wonder.[/quote]

I agree there seems to be something missing from all this.

Would it have been better for the priest to say no communion for those who support abortion?

[thessalonian]

I think it was Gideon that was going to battle against 10,000. God widdled his men down to 300 and then granted them victory. God one day is going to separate the sheep from the goats. Maybe that is even what is going on. Will you say the same about him then? He will say to those who said "lord lord" but did not care for the underprivledged (especially the unborn) depart from me... Read matt 25. Those whose hearts are hard, especially for the least of us, the unborn, need to be woken up! It's time.

[alicemary]

I know many a doctor who perform abortions every day, and they and their money are welcome in the church. Look at NJ and look at VA now, they are closing churches because people are running from the church, running. No priest has a right to tell one how to vote.

[Justin86]

[quote name='alicemary' post='1701112' date='Nov 14 2008, 10:35 PM']I know many a doctor who perform abortions every day, and they and their money are welcome in the church. Look at NJ and look at VA now, they are closing churches because people are running from the church, running. No priest has a right to tell one how to vote.[/quote]
Oh please. People are abandoning the Church because, in the United States, for so long it caved into the cultural moral relativism of the time and stood for nothing. Fortunately, times are changing, and thank God our Bishops are leading the way!

And I like the explicit mention of Obama. I'm tired of these oppressive, and in my humble opinion, unconstitutional tax laws that prohibit non-profit organizations from telling their members how to vote. It's about time someone took a stand against it all.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Justin86

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='alicemary' post='1701108' date='Nov 14 2008, 09:27 AM']I find this sad and uncalled for. People are deserting our churches in droves, no wonder.[/quote]


[quote name='Didacus' post='1701109' date='Nov 14 2008, 09:29 AM']I agree there seems to be something missing from all this.

Would it have been better for the priest to say no communion for those who support abortion?[/quote]

If anyone voted for Obama [i]because[/i] of his stance on abortion, that's one thing. If someone voted for him [i]in spite of it[/i], which is allowed as far as I can make out since there was no clear-cut super-duper realistic pro-life alternative, that's quite another.

[dominicansoul]

[quote]Dear young people, the Church needs genuine witnesses for the new evangelisation: men and women whose lives have been transformed by meeting with Jesus, men and women who are capable of communicating this experience to others. The Church needs saints. All are called to holiness, and holy people alone can renew humanity.---Pope Benedict at WYD 2005[/quote]

people are running from the Church? if people abandon the Church because the actions of priests, or other individuals in the Church...that tells me they were never truly Catholic. You are not a Catholic because you agree with everything certain individuals in the Church do, you are a Catholic because you have a relationship with Jesus Christ, and you hunger for His Flesh and Blood..you are a Catholic because you believe it is the Fullness of the Truth, and you wish to partake in this Truth...

if people like to abandon Jesus over the actions of one priest...than I say, don't run from us...fly away from us!

We need a smaller stronger Church of believers, not a large wishy-washy lukewarm Church..

And i say BRAVO to this good priest!!!

Edited November 14, 2008 by dominicansoul

[CatholicCid]

"Who shall we go to Lord, for you have the words of eternal life?"

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='alicemary' post='1701108' date='Nov 14 2008, 06:27 AM']I find this sad and uncalled for. People are deserting our churches in droves, no wonder.[/quote]
If a person supports abortion he deserted the Church the moment he embraced that godless position.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1701116' date='Nov 14 2008, 09:09 AM']If anyone voted for Obama [i]because[/i] of his stance on abortion, that's one thing. If someone voted for him [i]in spite of it[/i], which is allowed as far as I can make out since there was no clear-cut super-duper realistic pro-life alternative, that's quite another.[/quote]


There was an alternative. Doesn't have to be super-duper. You talk like Jesus needs to run Your post is off.

[thessalonian]

ABORTION IS A GRAVE MORAL EVIL AND CANNOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY FORM. IT"S ABOUT TIME BISHOPS AND PREISTS ARE STANDING UP ON THIS. Vote for anyone else. Oboma's abortion stance disqualifies him. He is radically pro abortion and anyone who voted for him has a soul that is in danger.

[thessalonian]

Ok take a deep breath.

this croutons has gone on long enough.

[Justin86]

This croutons is going to go on for the next four years. Get used to it.

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1701126' date='Nov 14 2008, 10:40 AM']There was an alternative.[/quote]
I beg to differ. Since this was a [i]qualitative[/i] assessment, each person had to make a decision as informed by his or her conscience.

[thessalonian]

evident'y changed the word c-r-a-p. Nope, not going to throw in the towel. Sorry.

[Excelsior1027]

The only reason for someone not to present themselves for communion would be because he or she is in a state of mortal sin, right?

And mortal sin needs three conditions: 1) it has to be a grave matter, 2) the person has to know that it is a grave matter, and 3) there has to be full consent of the will.

I just wonder how many people actually meet the criteria for number 2. What if someone had been told by a friend that a Catholic voting for Obama was an okay thing? What if someone really did fall for Obama's ridiculous claim that he wants to actually reduce abortions? Perhaps they had a badly formed conscience, through no fault of there own? It just doesn't seem like we can automatically assume that every single Catholic who voted for Obama committed a mortal sin.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Excelsior1027

[thessalonian]

One must refrain from communion when they have committed a grave matter, not when they have committed a mortal sin. Read the catechism carefully. One cannot know for certain if they are in mortal sin in many cases including this one. They can know that they have committed a grave sin subjectively. Communion is not something that must be taken and one must guard against the sin of sacralidge. When in doudt it is better not to recieve.