Obama Serves Homeless At A Catholic Church

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1713946' date='Nov 29 2008, 04:30 PM']gift certificates make sence but why not give them money ? usually it seems to be an older person usually in a wheel chair siting off of one the main freeway exits. you can tell there poor and have no money.[/quote]
Because homeless counselors will tell you never give people money, since it is usually converted to drugs or alcohol.

[Guest]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1713951' date='Nov 29 2008, 04:42 PM']Because homeless counselors will tell you never give people money, since it is usually converted to drugs or alcohol.[/quote]

o well i guess that makes sence. i dunno though they probally like to drink to.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1713951' date='Nov 29 2008, 02:42 PM']Because homeless counselors will tell you never give people money, since it is usually converted to drugs or alcohol.[/quote]
I just had this discussion in class the other day. It's really up to personal choices in that case. It's weighing the possibility that they buy alcohol or drugs with the possibility that they actually buy food. You have to decide which is more important, the risk that they buy alcohol with it, or the chance you take that they go hungry because they couldn't afford any.

Either choice is acceptable so long as you have reason for your decision.

[Winchester]

You mean humans who hold some evil things as good might still do good works?

Who knew?

[Norseman82]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1713951' date='Nov 29 2008, 03:42 PM']Because homeless counselors will tell you never give people money, since it is usually converted to drugs or alcohol.[/quote]

Another thing I do is just go into Wendy's or Subway and but them a sandwich.

There are very few people I will give money to. One is a 90-year old blind person who sits near the bridge every day by the downtown train station. I can also see giving money to someone in a wheelchair who has lost one or more limbs; it is hard to fake something like that.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1712604' date='Nov 28 2008, 01:44 AM']Or it's possible he just wanted to help out [/quote]
Maybe he'll help out at an abortion clinic next.

[Lounge Daddy]

Maybe that wasn't a charitable comment?

[Justin86]

Charitable enough in my world, but the way half these people think, who knows?

[flip]

giving people money is fine.
buying them food certificates is fine.

talking to them, finding out their name, bringing them into your home, getting them cleaned up, helping them, restoring them to society - that's Christianity

they are our BROTHERS and SISTERS in Christ.
If your biological brother or sister was on the street you wouldn't say "I can't give you money because that will just make you poorer". You wouldn't give them a gift certificate to McDonalds.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1714276' date='Nov 29 2008, 08:43 PM']Maybe he'll help out at an abortion clinic next.[/quote]
And maybe someone will bomb one. You know, whatever achieves your goals.

[FSM Sister]

Father Pfleger celebrates Mass, too. Doesn't the bible say that "Many will call me "Lord, Lord." If Mr. Obama and his girls help the poor, good for them. I pray that he will do more good than harm. I hope he won't use the statistics on numbers of poor as justification for abortion. I hope he won't use poverty, hunger, and unemployment as justification for limiting the number of children a couple can have, as is done in China.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='flip' post='1714389' date='Nov 29 2008, 10:24 PM']talking to them, finding out their name, bringing them into your home, getting them cleaned up, helping them, restoring them to society - that's Christianity[/quote]
This type of care is commendable, but one must also exercise the virtue or prudence in such matters.

[jkaands]

[quote name='flip' post='1713907' date='Nov 29 2008, 01:53 PM']admonishing the sinner is an act of mercy[/quote]

So who's a sinner?

Aren't [i]you [/i]a sinner?

[jkaands]

[quote name='flip' post='1712535' date='Nov 27 2008, 07:28 PM']President-elect Barack Obama and family volunteer at Chicago food pantry

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 05:33pm EST
Saying he wanted his two daughters "to learn the importance of how fortunate they are and make sure they are giving back," President-elect Obama and his family volunteered at a food pantry near their home on the South Side of Chicago this afternoon.

St. Columbanus Church, where President-elect Obama has volunteered before, feeds nearly 500 people a week. But he pointed out that times are particularly tough.

"The number of people who are getting food this year is up 33 percent," he said. "It gives a sense times are tough -- and I think that on Thanksgiving it's important for us to remember there's a need for support."

When a group of children appeared in the window of the church's school, President-elect Obama decided to visit the school's auditorium, where hundreds of the school's students quickly assembled.[/quote]

Does the food pantry screen those who eat there to make sure they are pro-life?

Does the food pantry screen those who volunteer there to see if [i]they're[/i] pro-life?

If the Catholic food pantry doesn't care, why should you?

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1712713' date='Nov 28 2008, 08:19 AM']How is it a charade? He's done it in the past. Can't a dad take his privilaged daughters and do something to educate them on helping others and help them to realize how fortunate they are? I am no fan of Obama's but sheesh... damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/quote]
agreed.

[quote name='Era Might' post='1713790' date='Nov 29 2008, 11:48 AM']I personally would prefer that Obama not be allowed to serve at a Catholic food pantry. Not because there's anything wrong with serving, but because it becomes a political event when a politician is involved, and I would rather not give even the appearance of complicity with politicians who support abortion.[/quote]
agreed.

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1713809' date='Nov 29 2008, 11:59 AM']I don't think it is ok to just give money to people on the street. I much prefer to give them mcdonald's gift certificates or to take them out to lunch myself.[/quote]
actually, someone told me that they keep those gift cards (to fast food places) in their car to give out if they see someone in need. i think that's a good idea.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='jkaands' post='1717663' date='Dec 3 2008, 04:47 PM']So who's a sinner?

Aren't [i]you [/i]a sinner?[/quote]
Please show me where he claimed to not be a sinner. I'm fairly certain we're all aware that we are sinners.

[Didymus]

I'm glad it was a Catholic Church he volunteered at. Maybe some day he'll realize the value of an ally the Church is to him on some very important issues, and start listening more intently to what Catholics have to say about abortion.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1714087' date='Nov 29 2008, 08:29 PM']I just had this discussion in class the other day. It's really up to personal choices in that case. It's weighing the possibility that they buy alcohol or drugs with the possibility that they actually buy food. You have to decide which is more important, the risk that they buy alcohol with it, or the chance you take that they go hungry because they couldn't afford any.

Either choice is acceptable so long as you have reason for your decision.[/quote]
Really?

Don't you think it more responsible to take the advice of those counselors who deal with them on a daily basis? Isn't it more acceptable to take them to the nearest store or restaurant and know you are actually feeding them and not a habit?

[princessgianna]

[quote name='Era Might' post='1713790' date='Nov 29 2008, 01:48 PM']I personally would prefer that Obama not be allowed to serve at a Catholic food pantry. Not because there's anything wrong with serving, but because it becomes a political event when a politician is involved, and I would rather not give even the appearance of complicity with politicians who support abortion.[/quote]
Agreed!

[Selah]

[quote]How is it a charade? He's done it in the past. Can't a dad take his privilaged daughters and do something to educate them on helping others and help them to realize how fortunate they are? I am no fan of Obama's but sheesh... damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/quote]

*applauds* Thank you!