Killing Varieties Of Humans

[chloeaustyn]

[quote name='Mr_Private_Person' post='1714236' date='Nov 29 2008, 10:01 PM']according to your religion, don't homos go to hell when they die?[/quote]

No.

[Mr_Private_Person]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1714397' date='Nov 30 2008, 01:37 AM']Not that simple. Sorry.[/quote]

That's what I keep on hearing though.

Homos are evil, and if they're evil, wouldn't they go to hell when they die?

Seems the Christian world is black and white to me!

[LivingStone]

Hey there,

In the Catholic Church, we do not condemn anyone to hell. It isn't a homosexual person that is evil, it is the homosexual act, as is any sin. It isn't the sinner; rather, the sinful acts that are disordered and evil. If "homos are evil", then so would every other person on the face of the planet because we all have our cross that we are trying to bear and there are many times when people fall. We are all sinners, we all sin. There are a lot of 'homosexual' people who try to live a chaste life (which means not partaking in homosexual relations or activities). I even hate predicating someone as a homosexual because that has ramifications in itself.

I hope that that might help a bit. Thanks for the post, brother. Take things easy.

BTW, I really don't like this thread: There are a lot of people (visitors, etc) that could simply see the title and make assumptions of the Church. I'm just saying it can create a lot of unnecessary confusion. Thank you.

[Mr_Private_Person]

So homos don't go to hell when they die. Got it.

Does that mean they should be allowed to get married.

[mod]inappropriate images --hugheyforlife[/mod]

Look at the romance and the love between them!

[picchick]

[quote name='Mr_Private_Person' post='1714421' date='Nov 30 2008, 01:01 AM']That's what I keep on hearing though.

Homos are evil, and if they're evil, wouldn't they go to hell when they die?

Seems the Christian world is black and white to me![/quote]

Then you are color blind. Actions are evil. People are not.

[HisChildForever]

Oh Marky, Marky, Marky.

[Mr_Private_Person]

[quote name='picchick' post='1714889' date='Nov 30 2008, 04:07 PM']Then you are color blind. Actions are evil. People are not.[/quote]

I got it.

Homos are just like everybody else, and should have the same rights as everybody else, including marriage.

[mod]inappropriate images --hugheyforlife[/mod]

Good for them!

[HisChildForever]

Hey Mark, I have a question for you.

[Justin86]

I see not a question...

[franciscanheart]

lets get back on topic, people. thanks.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Mr_Private_Person' post='1714236' date='Nov 29 2008, 10:01 PM']according to your religion, don't homos go to hell when they die?[/quote]
Unless they repent and seek forgiveness first . . .

Lame internet trolls, on the other hand, may well be beyond forgiveness.

[Galloglasses' Alt]

And thats putting it generously.

[Fidei Defensor]

The penalty of sin is death. Don't sinners, such as homosexuals, deserve death? And since they chose their lifestyle willingly, they can't be seen as innocent... shouldn't we kill them?

[LivingStone]

I'm not sure where your first premise is coming from...."the penalty of sin is death"...I'm not sure the logic that you used is all that sound either.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='LivingStone' post='1716403' date='Dec 1 2008, 11:54 PM']I'm not sure where your first premise is coming from...."the penalty of sin is death"...I'm not sure the logic that you used is all that sound either.[/quote]
Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death.

[LivingStone]

I would recommend at the very least reading the entire chapter so you can get a better context to what Saint Paul's message is. If you take 1/2 of a verse out of context, you can "argue" just about anything. Paul's theme in this chapter touches upon sanctification through obedience. Paul talks about how we need to cooperate with the grace that the Lord provides for us. Nowhere in this chapter does St. Paul imply that that we have an obligation to kill one who sins, whether a person is homosexual or not, whether a person commits homosexual acts or not (note these are two important distinctions, for a homosexual can lead a chaste life in the same way that a single person can).

The focus of the chapter isn't killing those who sin, for you left out the second half of Romans 6:23 "...but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1716391' date='Dec 2 2008, 12:35 AM']The penalty of sin is death. Don't sinners, such as homosexuals, deserve death? And since they chose their lifestyle willingly, they can't be seen as innocent... shouldn't we kill them?[/quote]

Not literal death, [b]eternal[/b] death: Hell. (In response to "the penalty of sin is death.") If we continuously sin and do not seek repentance for our offenses we will suffer eternal death, not eternal life.

After explaining that, your questions become moot because you interpreted "death" as literal death, and this is not the context in which it is being used.

[Guest nvzbl]

What are homos?

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1717022' date='Dec 2 2008, 10:01 PM']Not literal death, [b]eternal[/b] death: Hell. (In response to "the penalty of sin is death.") If we continuously sin and do not seek repentance for our offenses we will suffer eternal death, not eternal life.

After explaining that, your questions become moot because you interpreted "death" as literal death, and this is not the context in which it is being used.[/quote]
However, physical death was introduced into the world through sin. We do deserve to die from our sins. That's kind of the whole point of the death penalty. Why shouldn't it apply to other sins?

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1717044' date='Dec 2 2008, 11:21 PM']However, physical death was introduced into the world through sin. We do deserve to die from our sins. That's kind of the whole point of the death penalty. Why shouldn't it apply to other sins?[/quote]

I would not say that physical death was [i]introduced[/i] through sin, but a [i]consequence[/i] of sin. A shortened life span was one of the punishments due to the fall, if I recall correctly. (This was not what Paul was discussing, however. Just to make that clear - I feel that we are now on a different topic.)

I disagree regarding your statement concerning the death penalty. While it is used for justice it is also used for the safety of society. I also would not like to say that these people (on death row) "deserve" to die because while I support the penalty (as mentioned in another thread) I feel a great sadness that the person on death row did what they did to get there, and I do feel remorse, but I also feel it is necessary for the safety of society.

If you go by the thought of "we should kill anyone and everyone who sins" then there will be no one left. There is more to the death penalty than retribution.