Washington State Posting Athiest Sign In Capitol

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1717404' date='Dec 3 2008, 01:59 PM']"At this season of the Winter Solstice may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."[/quote]
That's pretty.

[Lounge Daddy]

The new visitor's center at the capitol deliberately strikes out In God We Trust.

A few comments and observations were made by [url="http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/18837/"]Sen DeMint on The Glenn Beck Program this morning[/url] (full transcript of the discussion available):

[indent]SENATOR DeMINT: There's a beautiful display of the speaker's chair in the House -- a replica of the House of Representatives there in the visitors center with the speaker's chair and the flags on both sides and it looks very good but it was so obvious that in the House above the speaker's chair, you know, carved in marble is "In God we trust," and here was this beautiful replica done in a lot of detail that they would bring the kids in and all the tour groups but it had everything except "In God We Trust" on it. And even the photos of the actual speaker's chair were cropped where "In God We Trust" didn't show. And you think maybe they just missed it or something, but they didn't. It was intentional.[/indent]

[url="http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/12/02/demint-capitol-visitor-center-fails-to-honor-faith/"]Also, some public comments were made by DeMint and reported on The Hill in a full article[/url].

[Winchester]

Just put up a sign next to it saying That Stalin, Lenin and Mao Tse Tung were atheists.

Religion has no corner on the hard heart market.

[Arpy]

As another Washingtonian, I am definitely displeased with the direction this state is headed. First I-1000 was passed and Gregoire elected, now this.
But if we're allowed to attack others' belief systems in this way, might I suggest the following?
[quote]Atheism is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.[/quote]

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Arpy' post='1717650' date='Dec 3 2008, 04:39 PM']But if we're allowed to attack others' belief systems in this way, might I suggest the following?[/quote]

Another one could be: "Atheism - the crutch used to justify immoral lifestyles".

[MC IMaGiNaZUN]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1717684' date='Dec 3 2008, 05:03 PM']Another one could be: "Atheism - the crutch used to justify immoral lifestyles".[/quote]

[Guest]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1717427' date='Dec 3 2008, 02:13 PM']After reading the sign, and reflecting on it, my overwhelming sentiment is sadness towards those who endorse the sign. How truly and wretched it must be to live life as an atheist.

May they some day find in God what they have lost in life.[/quote]


[quote name='prose' post='1717429' date='Dec 3 2008, 02:17 PM']You are missing my point. If atheists want to run around and tell people they are wrong fine. If they want to write articles, fine. If they want to carry signs down the street, fine. But I don't believe it is right to directly post a sign in a government place that DIRECTLY insults all religions. It is just wrong.[/quote]


agreed and agreed

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1717684' date='Dec 3 2008, 04:03 PM']Another one could be: "Atheism - the crutch used to justify immoral lifestyles".[/quote]
I don't use my disbelief in your god as a crutch for anything. I am no more immoral than any of you. Nothing in my lifestyle has changed since I stopped believing, other than not going to church anymore. I find your assumption that all atheists are monsters really disturbing.

[Guest]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1719396' date='Dec 5 2008, 12:19 AM']I don't use my disbelief in your god as a crutch for anything. I am no more immoral than any of you. Nothing in my lifestyle has changed since I stopped believing, other than not going to church anymore. I find your assumption that all atheists are monsters really disturbing.[/quote]

You are more immoral because you dont have the blood of jesus washing your sins. Yes we are all sinners but those with faith have the tools for salvation and to be seen spotless in Gods eyes. Atheist who defiantely insult and reject God are indeed monsters. Read revelation the antichrist is described as a monster literally. Anyone who rejects Christ came in the flesh is a antichrist. So yes atheists are monsters and antichrist.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Guest

[Arpy]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1719396' date='Dec 4 2008, 09:19 PM']I don't use my disbelief in your god as a crutch for anything. I am no more immoral than any of you. Nothing in my lifestyle has changed since I stopped believing, other than not going to church anymore. I find your assumption that all atheists are monsters really disturbing.[/quote]
Norseman is correct that atheists often use their lack of belief to justify (subconsciously or not) their sinful behavior. However, I don’t see him saying that [i]all[/i] atheists do so, though perhaps "a" might have been a better choice than "the."
[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1719416' date='Dec 4 2008, 09:26 PM']You are more immoral because you dont have the blood of jesus washing your sins. Yes we are all sinners but those with faith have the tools for salvation and to be seen spotless in Gods eyes. Atheist who defiantely insult and reject God are indeed monsters. Read revelation the antichrist is described as a monster literally. Anyone who rejects Christ came in the flesh is a antichrist. So yes atheists are monsters and antichrist.[/quote]
Okay, no. Hitler was a monster. Maybe so with Stalin and Mao, and perhaps some others. But extending that description to all atheists? I don’t think so. And Jesus died for all, so I’m not quite sure how fidei defensor is excluded from the possibility of having his sins forgiven. Yes, he don’t rep Pope, but the chance of repentance is still there. Also, is calling nonbelievers antichrists really a good way to go about spreading God’s love? Many of them do believe that religious people are all a bunch of intolerant, stupid bigots, and reinforcing their prejudices can’t be a good thing.

[Guest]

[quote name='Arpy' post='1719535' date='Dec 5 2008, 12:57 AM']Okay, no. Hitler was a monster. Maybe so with Stalin and Mao, and perhaps some others. But extending that description to all atheists? I don’t think so. And Jesus died for all, so I’m not quite sure how fidei defensor is excluded from the possibility of having his sins forgiven. Yes, he don’t rep Pope, but the chance of repentance is still there. Also, is calling nonbelievers antichrists really a good way to go about spreading God’s love? Many of them do believe that religious people are all a bunch of intolerant, stupid bigots, and reinforcing their prejudices can’t be a good thing.[/quote]


Well in the bible it describes the antichrist, false prophets and his agents as a moster. And im talking about atheist who are defiant and insult God to an extreme measure.

I never once said fidei defensor is excluded from the possiblity of having his sins forgiven.
What are you talking about ??? lol

And yes calling unbelivers who are very outspoken and defiant against God antichrist is a very good way of going about spreading Gods love. The bible gives me ample reason to do so. They are denying Christ came in the flesh and therefore being given the name antichrist in the bible.
If no one tells them they are an antichrist how are they going to convert to becoming a christian ?

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[Arpy]

Somehow, I don't think telling people they're antichrists is a great way to evangelize. Try preaching the Gospel through your actions, and using words when necessary.

[Guest]

[quote name='Arpy' post='1719622' date='Dec 5 2008, 01:26 AM']Somehow, I don't think telling people they're antichrists is a great way to evangelize. Try preaching the Gospel through your actions, and using words when necessary.[/quote]

Im talking about the enemies bro.
The people putting up this satanic display in public goverment places besides the nativity scene.
They are antichrist. You can call them whatever you want.
I will call them antichrist because they are doing satans work and they are proud of it.

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[Arpy]

Actually, I think people who are conscious and proud of doing Satan's work are called Satanists. And what do you mean by croutons? Is that a replacement swear word?

[Guest]

[quote name='Arpy' post='1719628' date='Dec 5 2008, 01:31 AM']Actually, I think people who are conscious and proud of doing Satan's work are called Satanists. And what do you mean by croutons? Is that a replacement swear word?[/quote]

atheist are doing satans work without knowing they are doing it, and they are proud of it.

croutouns is a replacement for croutons here, it does it automatically.

[Guest]

ha thats funny it shows how stupid i am, i tried to type the word and tell you what it is.


and again, im talking about people who dont know if they believe in God. im talking about people who are defiant and say there is no God and push it on other people and attack God.

[Guest]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1719633' date='Dec 5 2008, 01:35 AM']ha thats funny it shows how stupid i am, i tried to type the word and tell you what it is.


and again, im talking about people who dont know if they believe in God. im talking about people who are defiant and say there is no God and push it on other people and attack God.[/quote]


that was supposed to say " im NOT talking about people who dont know if they believe in God.

[Arpy]

So if I type croutons, it comes out as croutons? Faskinatin’. Well, I do agree that militant atheists are a problem, I just think you’re being too antagonistic in your approach. Atheists may not have been commanded to love their enemies, but we were.

[Guest]

[quote name='Arpy' post='1719657' date='Dec 5 2008, 01:51 AM']So if I type croutons, it comes out as croutons? Faskinatin’. Well, I do agree that militant atheists are a problem, I just think you’re being too antagonistic in your approach. Atheists may not have been commanded to love their enemies, but we were.[/quote]


lol if you type out parc (spelled it backwards) it comes out as croutons.

ya we should love our enemies but love kills to.
love is such a broad word.
i think this display in the state house is crossing the line.

[Arpy]

I shall henceforth include "croutons" on my list of alternative swears.