Women Should Not Go To University

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
i put this in the lame board because, well, frankly, it's lame!
[url="http://www.sspx.ca/Documents/Bishop-Williamson/September1-2001.htm"]SSPX's view on women going to university[/url]
i couldn't even get through the first two paragraphs without laughing myself silly over the nonsensicalness of the letter!

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
for example:
[quote]In fact, only in modern times have women dreamt of going to university, but the idea has now become so normal that even Catholics, whose Faith guards Nature, may have difficulty in seeing the problem. However, here is a pointer in the direction of normalcy: [b]any Catholic with the least respect for Tradition recognizes that women should not be priests - can he deny that if few women went to university, almost none would wish to be priests?[/b] Alas, women going to university is part of the whole massive onslaught on God's Nature which characterizes our times. That girls should not be in universities flows from the nature of universities and from the nature of girls: true universities are for ideas, ideas are not for true girls, so true universities are not for true girls.[/quote]
seriously, the bolded sentence makes no sense. so if no women went to university, no women would want to be priests? heck, i never went to college, and i used to think that women should be priests! (pre-reconversion days)

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote]What needs to be proved is that even to a decent university, if such could be found, few or no girls should be sent. This is because of the God-given nature of girls.[/quote]
the whole thing about this letter that is silly is that there are many, good, Catholic (and not CINOs - Catholic In Name Only) colleges/universities not just in the U.S. but abroad as well.

[rachael]

i'm sure there are a bunch of guys here who would agree.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote]To grasp these three reasons, let us back up another five millennia, to Adam and Eve. Since the word "nature" comes from the Latin word for "being born", then to study a thing's nature one goes back to its birth. Eve was created by God to be a "help" to Adam (Gen. 11,18). [b]She was to help him, says St Thomas Aquinas elsewhere (1a,92,1), not for any other work than that of generation (or reproduction)[/b] ([color="red"]my bold[/color]), because [u]for any other work man could be more suitably helped by another man[/u] ([color="red"]underlined in original[/color]). It follows that woman's nature is intrinsically geared to motherhood, so that in all things pertaining to motherhood she is man's superior, in all else she is his inferior, and in none of all the things in which the two sexes are complementary are they equal.[/quote]
no wonder many people have a bad taste about those who are traditionalists (not schismatics, mind you) - they associate traditionalists with these kind of attitudes.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='rachael' post='1725586' date='Dec 11 2008, 01:51 PM']i'm sure there are a bunch of guys here who would agree. [/quote]
+J.M.J.+
they'd be idiots.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote]Concretely, if a girl devotes several years of her youth and much money of her parents to acquiring a university education, especially a decent one, how easily will she submit to her husband, especially if he has not had that education? And how may she not argue with him if he has had it? And if she has a "degree", how will she not think herself above the multiple humiliations of being "barefoot and pregnant"? And if she is a "graduate", how will she not hold-herself superior to being-a “vegetable at the-kitchen-sink"? And if making a family makes her forget in the right kind of way all about "graduating", "degrees" and "university", why go there in the first place? The dilemma is inescapable: in doing manly things like going to a university, either she is merely going through the motions or she is damaging her potential for motherhood - conclusion: she should not go there.[/quote]
i can think of several college educated women here at phatmass who would disagree with this statement.

[rachael]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1725589' date='Dec 11 2008, 04:52 PM']+J.M.J.+
they'd be idiots. [/quote]
isn't that understood?

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
okay, i literally laughed out loud at this:
[quote]Woman's thinking is subjective, inward, intuitive, concrete, small-scale, with a gift for loving details. University thinking needs to be objective, outward, rational, abstract, large-scale, with a drive towards the grand principles. Her thinking follows her heart. University thinking can only follow the head. While a university professor is teaching, the boy will be listening to and learning from the words but the girl will naturally be listening to the man and learning by osmosis. [b]Only by an effort will she listen to the words, because her heart is elsewhere - usually on the boys. Naturally docile and possibly possessed of more than sufficient brains, she can always do a good imitation of a good student, especially if she wishes to please a particular male professor.[/b] Nor, again, should she be mocked for that, insofar as God designed her to please and to attract - a husband. Rarely, however, will the impressive studentess be a really good student, because the Lord God simply designed her heart and mind for a quite other task. Girls, do you really want to spend so much of your time and of your parents' money on doing something God almost for sure did not mean you to be doing?[/quote]
so the only reason that a girl would do good in school is that she wants to impress the boys and/or her male professor

good Lord, does this guy think that women should have an education at all?

[rachael]

boys

[Lil Red]

[quote name='rachael' post='1725592' date='Dec 11 2008, 01:54 PM']isn't that understood?[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
not necessarily.

[quote]But where will girls' secondary schools find women teachers if no girls go to university? -One needs no university to learn most of what secondary schoolgirls need to be taught, for instance "domestic economy, setting up home, running a house, the care and education of children, the spiritual and social preparation for marriage" - Pius XII's timeless list, to the Union of Catholic Women, June 24, 1949. Of course if the law of the land, as now in France, demands "university" "diplomas" for women to teach or to open girls' schools, then some women's "university" attendance becomes, for the duration of that law, an exceptional necessity. However, exceptions make bad rules![/quote]
so the only reason to go to secondary school is to learn how to stay at home better?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='rachael' post='1725595' date='Dec 11 2008, 01:59 PM']boys [/quote]
+J.M.J.+
men!

[rachael]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1725597' date='Dec 11 2008, 05:00 PM']+J.M.J.+
men! [/quote]

[rachael]

shoot, i could never be a nun.

[MissyP89]

WTH?

Hello, good Bishop, I am not a walking va--baby maker.

[MissyP89]

[quote name='rachael' post='1725602' date='Dec 11 2008, 04:07 PM']shoot, i could never be a nun.[/quote]

They all say that.

[Arpy]

I'm all for Catholic girls attending colleges and universities. It increases my chances of finding a good future wife.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1725590' date='Dec 11 2008, 04:53 PM']+J.M.J.+

i can think of several college educated women here at phatmass who would disagree with this statement.[/quote]


Personally, the thing that gets me the most is that he keeps saying "parents' money" I pay for myself, mostly, thank you very much.

Oooh look... rebelliousness... refusal to submit!!!

[rachael]

[quote name='MissyP89' post='1725620' date='Dec 11 2008, 05:12 PM']They all say that. [/quote]
you obviously don't know me well enough.

[quote name='missionseeker' post='1725628' date='Dec 11 2008, 05:13 PM']Personally, the thing that gets me the most is that he keeps saying "parents' money" I pay for myself, mostly, thank you very much.

Oooh look... rebelliousness... refusal to submit!!![/quote]
the state of georgia paid for most of mine. until i lost hope.

Edited December 11, 2008 by rachael

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote name='rachael' post='1725602' date='Dec 11 2008, 02:07 PM']shoot, i could never be a nun.[/quote]
me neither. oh, wait, i can't anyway.

[quote name='Arpy' post='1725621' date='Dec 11 2008, 02:12 PM']I'm all for Catholic girls attending colleges and universities. It increases my chances of finding a good future wife.[/quote] so girls are distracting!!!