Mercy me Posted December 27, 2008 Posted December 27, 2008 [quote name='jkaands' post='1733178' date='Dec 21 2008, 03:23 PM']There's a tax on liquor and cigarettes. In many states, there are no taxes on essential foodstuffs. I agree that sodas, candy, chips and non-essential foodstuffs should be taxed. Obesity in this country is akin to cigarettes, alcohol and HIV in its causal relationship to devastating diseases,, which will soon make available health care out of reach for most Americans and businesses. Taxing high-calorie snack foods is one way of making them less attractive, and generating the means to pay for the health care to treat the diseases that these foods produce.[/quote] Right, just like they did with the tobacco settlement and taxes. Thats right all that tobacco settlement money has ended up in the general funds and is not being used for anti-tobacco education or medical care.
CatherineM Posted December 27, 2008 Posted December 27, 2008 At least the part of the tobacco settlement that they didn't have to give back.
jkaands Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1733182' date='Dec 21 2008, 01:31 PM']Speaking of HIV, Homosexual men are at a higher rate of risk of being infected by it. Should they also be taxed, taxed for being Gay? If the state justifes taxing sodas and junk food because it is a risk why not?[/quote] How can you tax anyone for being gay if you don't know who is gay or who is a practicing homosexual? Do you tax them for the sex act? How? It's easy to tax non-essential foods, just as you tax cigarettes and liquor. And who'll be the first to throw the Twinkies overboard?
Socrates Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 [quote name='jkaands' post='1743927' date='Jan 5 2009, 10:18 PM']How can you tax anyone for being gay if you don't know who is gay or who is a practicing homosexual? Do you tax them for the sex act? How? It's easy to tax non-essential foods, just as you tax cigarettes and liquor. And who'll be the first to throw the Twinkies overboard?[/quote] If there were an easy way to tax acts of homosexual sodomy, would you support it? (Just curious) And who the heck determines what foods are "non-essential" anyway? Does that mean anything beyond gruel and water? I think the truth is, the government will tax whatever it can get away with.
T-Bone _ Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Why is it that so-called liberals are so set against liberty?
jkaands Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 [quote name='Socrates' post='1744024' date='Jan 5 2009, 09:19 PM']If there were an easy way to tax acts of homosexual sodomy, would you support it? (Just curious) And who the heck determines what foods are "non-essential" anyway? Does that mean anything beyond gruel and water? I think the truth is, the government will tax whatever it can get away with.[/quote] Why are you complaining? Obama is proposing a multi-billion tax cut. People who complain about taxes are usually first in line for the benefits that taxes support. It's pretty clear that candy, snacks and sodas are non-essential and could easily be taxed. Some states already include only essential foods in food coupons. No coupons for Twinkies. Sorry.
CatherineM Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Hard candy isn't a junk food for a diabetic.
T-Bone _ Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1744099' date='Jan 5 2009, 09:13 PM']Hard candy isn't a junk food for a diabetic.[/quote] Nope--it's a lifeline.
T-Bone _ Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 [quote name='jkaands' post='1744090' date='Jan 5 2009, 09:03 PM']Why are you complaining? Obama is proposing a multi-billion tax cut. People who complain about taxes are usually first in line for the benefits that taxes support.[/quote] That's a pretty accusation. Do you have anything to back it up? [quote]It's pretty clear that candy, snacks and sodas are non-essential and could easily be taxed. Some states already include only essential foods in food coupons. No coupons for Twinkies. Sorry.[/quote] Should white flour be taxed, and whole-wheat flour not? What about corn syrup vs. cane sugar? Canned carrots vs. fresh ones?
jkaands Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 [quote name='T-Bone _' post='1744364' date='Jan 6 2009, 10:58 AM']That's a pretty accusation. Do you have anything to back it up? Should white flour be taxed, and whole-wheat flour not? What about corn syrup vs. cane sugar? Canned carrots vs. fresh ones?[/quote] Follow the food coupons. FLOUR, SUGAR and CARROTS are eligible for coupons. CANDY, SNACKS, ICE CREAM are not. There's no law against buying hard candy. So, if you're a diabetic--an obese type II diabetic that can be cured by weight loss?-- BUY the hard candy and pay the tax!!
T-Bone _ Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 [quote name='jkaands' post='1744383' date='Jan 6 2009, 10:29 AM']Follow the food coupons. FLOUR, SUGAR and CARROTS are eligible for coupons. CANDY, SNACKS, ICE CREAM are not.[/quote] I'm not talking about food coupons, I'm talking about taxes. I'm also talking about how one determines which food is taxed heavily and which is not. [quote]There's no law against buying hard candy. So, if you're a diabetic--an obese type II diabetic that can be cured by weight loss?-- BUY the hard candy and pay the tax!![/quote] What if you're a skinny, otherwise healthy, Type I diabetic that CANNOT be cured by ANYTHING?
jkaands Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 [quote name='T-Bone _' post='1744459' date='Jan 6 2009, 01:22 PM']I'm not talking about food coupons, I'm talking about taxes. I'm also talking about how one determines which food is taxed heavily and which is not. What if you're a skinny, otherwise healthy, Type I diabetic that CANNOT be cured by ANYTHING?[/quote] Buy the hard candy (or boxed juice) and pay the tax--on the candy. Nobody is planning to make hc illegal.
KnightofChrist Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 [quote name='jkaands' post='1744627' date='Jan 6 2009, 07:17 PM']Buy the hard candy (or boxed juice) and pay the tax--on the candy. Nobody is planning to make hc illegal.[/quote] Of course the Bully state doesn't want to make it illegal, how could it then steal little kids juice money?
T-Bone _ Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) [quote name='jkaands' post='1744627' date='Jan 6 2009, 04:17 PM']Buy the hard candy (or boxed juice) and pay the tax--on the candy. Nobody is planning to make hc illegal.[/quote] You have yet to explain why there should be a tax. BTW: Stop using strawmen. (You're embarrassing yourself.) Edited January 6, 2009 by T-Bone _
Socrates Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 [quote name='jkaands' post='1744090' date='Jan 6 2009, 12:03 AM']Why are you complaining? Obama is proposing a multi-billion tax cut. People who complain about taxes are usually first in line for the benefits that taxes support. It's pretty clear that candy, snacks and sodas are non-essential and could easily be taxed. Some states already include only essential foods in food coupons. No coupons for Twinkies. Sorry.[/quote] I wasn't complaining; I was asking a question - which you have failed to answer. And if you actually read my post, you'd notice that I never mentioned Obama. You sidestepped the question, and tried to change the topic. Would you in principle support the government taxing sodomy, or things related to it? (maybe an extra tax on gay bars, bathhouses, or other places where homosexuals hook up)
Tinkerlina Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Lil Red' post='1730686' date='Dec 17 2008, 05:39 PM']+J.M.J.+ [url="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/16/the-new-york-nanny-state-continues-apace/"]Via HotAir[/url] Gov. Paterson, as part of a $121 billion budget to be unveiled Tuesday, will propose an “obesity tax” of about 15% on nondiet drinks.[/quote] Even though I love the taste of aspartame (diet pepsi!), it's one of the most dangerous drugs out there. The FDA rejected it in the 80s as a drug to treat hyperactivity in children-but somehow it made its way into the category of "safe for consumption." That's health food all right, gov. -Katie Edited January 7, 2009 by Tinkerlina
Socrates Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1744839' date='Jan 6 2009, 11:31 PM']Even though I love the taste of aspartame (diet pepsi!), it's one of the most dangerous drugs out there. The FDA rejected it in the 80s as a drug to treat hyperactivity in children-but somehow it made its way into the category of "safe for consumption." That's health food all right, gov. -Katie[/quote] I absolutely abhor the taste of aspartame, and all other artificial sweeteners. I can't stand any "diet" drinks - unfortunately, I am something of a sugar/caffeine junkie. (btw, aspartame's been used in diet drinks since at least the early 80s - I was around then.)
jckinsman Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 [quote name='Mercy me' post='1736340' date='Dec 27 2008, 12:52 PM']Right, just like they did with the tobacco settlement and taxes. Thats right all that tobacco settlement money has ended up in the general funds and is not being used for anti-tobacco education or medical care.[/quote] Lotto $ for education missed our schools and missed our state,Has anyone out there seen washingtons lotto money so we can improve our education????? Anyone??? I know it's either California or Oregan!
jckinsman Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) Lets just place a tax on "sin"! All of you who sin owe big taxes to the Government All to whom make it to the confessionals before the Saturday evening mass get a tax break! I'm afraid over time the government would be really rich. Edited January 15, 2009 by jckinsman
mcts Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 [quote name='jkaands' post='1744383' date='Jan 6 2009, 01:29 PM']Follow the food coupons. FLOUR, SUGAR and CARROTS are eligible for coupons. CANDY, SNACKS, ICE CREAM are not.[/quote] um...i went looking and i just found a coupon for twizzlers, a coupon for wheat thins, and one for edy's ice cream.
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