Want To Post About Poor Clares In Lost Altos Hills Ca

[remaoung]

About 90% men or women who leave the religious life or priesthood will blamed the communities or their bishop or seminary formation and so on. What they forgot is that they also responsible to they own actions. Each community had they own good and bad, strength and weakness, disagreement or crisis. We fall and made mistake. That oks we only human and so religious community, their also relying in God grace. We carry one another, their weakness and limitation and most of the time we have to stretch out our limit to love and forgive them, after all that is why we join the monastery or religious life to be like Christ. We grow and move on. Join a monastery is a risk to take. That what noviciate for, to test our vocation. If not working there, try the others.

When I enter the novitiate, my novice master asked me to read SIRACH chapter 2. So I would like encouraging everyone to read and meditate upon them. It may be useful if you consider giving yourself to God. Very often we had a beautiful ideal about religious life, even I myself used too. But our ideal is difference from the reality. Religious life is not an ideal but is a day-to-day living and not mean to be easy, this is real life. Sometimes God make things hard to sanctify us.

Sometimes we have to look in ourselves and asked ourselves, do we have a vocation? Do we respond to the formation? Do we integrate ourselves to the community? Or are we doing our own things and will? Can we live the community life? After answered those question, maybe we are not the first person to throw stone to others and we can’t stop other peoples from join this particular community just because we had a hard time there, that just unfair. I believe each religious community will be very discreet about their members who leave and I’m sure they will not spread the information why these people were asked to leave or why she/he leaves the order.

We should be grateful to our religious man or women who’s given up their life generously to and for the Church. Don’t let others influent our judgement. Always remember that these people had given up their life to God, denial they freedom and will, who are we to judge them. We should pray for the perseverance of these wonderful religious and also for all those who join their community. In the end we worship the same God and work for the same master. Bare that in mind. God bless. We should forgive and what is past is past.



Your Brother in Christ

Adam

P/s. These only my personal reflection and not represent any religious community.

Edited January 24, 2009 by remaoung

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1760088' date='Jan 24 2009, 09:44 AM']Good luck on telling the other mothers on here that they're wasting their time... [/quote]

haha Hey, I know I'm wasting time. However, I also know that unless my time on the internet seriously makes me delinquent in my duties it's not a sin. My daughters are sitting right next to me using the other computer to do some learning games, and we are conversing all the while. I, for one, can multi-task. And we spend lots of time cuddling, playing, and chatting. It may be harder for some people to accomplish that and juggle internet stuff as well, but it's not the case for all of us.

[In The Arms of The Lord]

[quote name='mom2threekids' post='1739407' date='Dec 31 2008, 03:50 AM']Hi I am new here. I actually wanted to post something in the vocations folder because there is a topic about the Poor Clares in Los Altos Hills. I was there for 4.5 years but they told me it was not my vocation, I am now the mother of 3 beautiful children, married to a wonderful for over 8 years. I entered when I was 18 and I wanted to comment on the post in the vocations folder, but I can't post there. I actually know sister Bernadette who is in the website posted, she is no longer with the Poor clares also but we were in the novitiate together. If anyone wants to learn more about them please email me. To be clear, as a devout Catholic I can not recommend this order in good faith. Some thing were going on at that particular monestary when I was there, that I think people need to look carefully at before they enter. If anyone wants more information please feel free to email me.[/quote]


Peace be with you! Welcome to Phatmass. I am new here to. I see it says you have 9 posts, one more and you will be able to post in the Vocation Station.

God Bless you.

[southern california guy]

[quote name='mom2threekids' post='1739407' date='Dec 30 2008, 11:50 PM']Hi I am new here. I actually wanted to post something in the vocations folder because there is a topic about the Poor Clares in Los Altos Hills. I was there for 4.5 years but they told me it was not my vocation, I am now the mother of 3 beautiful children, married to a wonderful for over 8 years. I entered when I was 18 and I wanted to comment on the post in the vocations folder, but I can't post there. I actually know sister Bernadette who is in the website posted, she is no longer with the Poor clares also but we were in the novitiate together. If anyone wants to learn more about them please email me. To be clear, as a devout Catholic I can not recommend this order in good faith. Some thing were going on at that particular monestary when I was there, that I think people need to look carefully at before they enter. If anyone wants more information please feel free to email me.[/quote]

Hi,

I'm new here, and just getting back involved as a Catholic (Alicia said I should go to confession... ) but I'm VERY curious about this subject. I knew absolutely nothing about cloistered nuns -- like the Poor Clares -- until I met Alicia. I think that very few Catholics really do either. And from what Alicia told me it is very different than anything in the Catholic church that I've experienced.

I'm new here, and I can see that some people only want the positive talked about but I'd love to hear the good and the bad. I think that we can make up our own minds about it. But I'm not asking you to tell stuff about Alicia (sister Bernadette) since she is a friend of mine.

Rich

PS Did you make it to the Life Walk in San Francisco? Alicia said that she was going to that. I heard that it was huge this year.

[Saint Therese]

I for one don't want to hear "the bad" about religous communities on a public forum.
I don't mean to ugly, but I don't think people are really aware of the unbelievable things that happen to religious communities resulting from conversations like these.
I'm sorry but that's my opinion.

[southern california guy]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1763064' date='Jan 26 2009, 09:34 PM']I for one don't want to hear "the bad" about religous communities on a public forum.
I don't mean to ugly, but I don't think people are really aware of the unbelievable things that happen to religious communities resulting from conversations like these.
I'm sorry but that's my opinion.[/quote]

Saint Therese,

I don't really understand. Specifically what sorts of things can happen because of conversations like these? It would seem to me that they may lead to improvements in the monestary or convent.

Richard

[Saint Therese]

It can lead to legal action, and unnecessary involvement and oversight from hierarchical officials.
Imagine a community, a poor one, who has to hire lawyers and deal diocesan or other superiors for YEARS because of one or two imprudent conversations. People make only the worst assumptions about religious communitities. For example the never ending accusations on Vocation Station that religious who use the internet in their office of Vocaton directress or director are "breaking enclosure", etc. These claims are made by people who know either nothing or very little about the rule these communitites live by, their constituttions, and what the superior may have directed them to do.

[southern california guy]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1765119' date='Jan 28 2009, 07:49 PM']It can lead to legal action, and unnecessary involvement and oversight from hierarchical officials.
Imagine a community, a poor one, who has to hire lawyers and deal diocesan or other superiors for YEARS because of one or two imprudent conversations. People make only the worst assumptions about religious communitities. For example the never ending accusations on Vocation Station that religious who use the internet in their office of Vocaton directress or director are "breaking enclosure", etc. These claims are made by people who know either nothing or very little about the rule these communitites live by, their constituttions, and what the superior may have directed them to do.[/quote]

I can't see why there would be legal action. The sort of criticizms I've heard had to do with being pushed to the limit with their responsibility or task, having to forego sleep to pray for long hours some days, and ending up emotionally and physically drained.

I can't see how these sorts of criticisms could lead to legal claims. But it certainly could be hard to endure for an eighteen year old who's never lived outside of the home. Especially when it is day in and day out without a break, or rest. And if they get news that perhaps their parents are divorcing, or somebody in their family is having problems -- it might be a bit harder to take -- especially if they feel trapped in the particular coistered monestary and unable to talk with one of their siblings for support.

I'm a guy so it would never be anything that I'd experience anyway, but I personally couldn't imagine doing it.

[CatherineM]

Believe me when I say that the main thing they teach in law school is to look at any situation for an opportunity to sue anyone for anything. You give me any situation, and I can tell you 6 ways of getting into trouble, either criminally, civilly, or administratively.

[Saint Therese]

Believe me it happens.

Just read the foundations of St.Teresa. Not too much has changed since then. Everyone was suing everyone back then.

[jkaands]

[quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1760088' date='Jan 24 2009, 07:44 AM']Good luck on telling the other mothers on here that they're wasting their time... [/quote]

I don't think that mom2 meant that at all. For [i]her,[/i] posting a lot online may mean wasting time.

For other mothers it may not seem to be. For example, I read every word TradMom writes, because it is all so good and useful. So are mom2's posts, even tho' she feels that she is 'stealing' the time.

[jkaands]

Mom2,

In addition to PMing, you could open an email account specifically for inquiries re your experiences, and publish the address on Phatmass for discussions of your experiences. Later you could close or ignore the account. I agree that discussion of certain controversial topics should be kept on Phat, particular Vocation Station, but I also believe that posters should have [i]access[/i] to the info if they want.

[MithLuin]

[b]jkaands[/b], if you would like to get in touch with the opening poster, I suggest visiting her profile. Anyone may do that, and thus whatever information she'd like to share can be shared privately.

[jkaands]

[quote name='MithLuin' post='1767658' date='Jan 31 2009, 01:07 PM'][b]jkaands[/b], if you would like to get in touch with the opening poster, I suggest visiting her profile. Anyone may do that, and thus whatever information she'd like to share can be shared privately.[/quote]

I don't need to contact her. I am not a candidate for this order.

I must correct what I wrote two posts earlier.

I wrote:

[i]I agree that discussion of certain controversial topics should be kept [b]on[/b] Phat, particular Vocation Station, but I also believe that posters should have access to the info if they want.[/i]

I meant:

[i]I agree that discussion of certain controversial topics should be kept [b]OFF [/b]Phat, particularly Vocation Station, but I also believe that posters should have access to the info if they want.[/i] [b][/b]

Edited February 2, 2009 by jkaands