Era Might Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1754669' date='Jan 18 2009, 08:02 PM']Water boarding does not involve violence.[/quote] If a foreign government waterboards an American POW, and if (as you argue) it is not an act of violence, and not an act of torture, then what is it?
Saint Therese Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1754723' date='Jan 18 2009, 08:31 PM']Waterboarding is violent, sorry.[/quote] No, it isn't.
T-Bone _ Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1754773' date='Jan 18 2009, 07:25 PM']No, it isn't.[/quote] Have you ever been waterboarded? Pouring water into someone's throat is an inherently violent act.
Saint Therese Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Actually I was waterboarded when I was captured by rogue kitties.
Tinkerlina Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1754791' date='Jan 18 2009, 10:44 PM']Actually I was waterboarded when I was captured by rogue kitties. [/quote] In all seriousness, I really believe that waterboarding is not something to be used by civilized society. [url="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2006/04/05/open-letter-attorney-general-alberto-gonzales"]http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2006/04/05/open...lberto-gonzales[/url] -Katie
Saint Therese Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='T-Bone _' post='1754780' date='Jan 18 2009, 09:34 PM']Have you ever been waterboarded? Pouring water into someone's throat is an inherently violent act.[/quote] Have YOU ever bee waterboarded?
CatherineM Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 My son had to be gassed in boot camp. It wasn't his favorite part, but he sure learned to put his gas mask on quickly. If we want countries to adhere to the Geneva Convention when it comes to our POW's, then we probably ought to follow it too. I wouldn't want to be water boarded. I have a fear of drowning. Most people probably do to some extent. If we are willing to say that it is the lesser of two evils, to save lives, then does that mean we have to be okay with contraception to lessen the greater evil of abortion, or using embryonic stem cells as a lessor evil to trying to treat things like Parkinson's. Where do we draw the lines?
Saint Therese Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Seriously, you cannot compare waterboarding to contraception.
CatherineM Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1754976' date='Jan 18 2009, 11:47 PM']Seriously, you cannot compare waterboarding to contraception.[/quote] Yeah, you're probably right when it comes to the worst "lesser of two evils." Waterboarding is much worse. Contraception hurts the person who engages in it. Waterboarding hurts another person violently.
cmotherofpirl Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1754586' date='Jan 18 2009, 07:25 PM']I still don't agree that water boarding is torture.[/quote] Are you volunteering to try it to prove your point?
cmotherofpirl Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1754993' date='Jan 19 2009, 02:03 AM']Yeah, you're probably right when it comes to the worst "lesser of two evils." Waterboarding is much worse. Contraception hurts the person who engages in it. Waterboarding hurts another person violently.[/quote] No. Contraception using the pill leaves you open to killing a child as well as harming yourself.
Saint Therese Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1754994' date='Jan 19 2009, 01:07 AM']Are you volunteering to try it to prove your point?[/quote] You first.
CatherineM Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1754995' date='Jan 19 2009, 12:08 AM']No. Contraception using the pill leaves you open to killing a child as well as harming yourself.[/quote] You're right, I missed that one. Must be time to go to bed.
Saint Therese Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I think we hould hve televised waterboarding.
Winchester Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1754773' date='Jan 18 2009, 09:25 PM']No, it isn't.[/quote] Unless someone [i]wants[/i] to be waterboarded, it is violence. I don't think people are just laying down and letting it happen. It involves restraint. It's violence.
dominicansoul Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 [quote name='kujo' post='1754329' date='Jan 18 2009, 11:10 AM'] I was wondering how long it would take for the first reference to abortion to be made. Do we know this guy's stance on abortion?[/quote] why does the mere mention of abortion upset you?
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