Ziggamafu Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 [quote name='Socrates' post='1763019' date='Jan 26 2009, 11:40 PM']So did Hitler in 1930s Germany.[/quote] I suppose I have more faith in hopeful Americans of today than in the hopeful Germans of yesterday. But I do know very well that Hitler rose to power in a similar fashion. In fact, Hitler actually DID come through and deliver a lot of genuine goods for his people. But at what cost? Yes, I know this rhetoric well and it bears a solid point. I suppose I'm just more optimistic; and again, it can't be denied that Obama's win has really energized our side to fight much, much harder.
Fidei Defensor Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 [quote name='Socrates' post='1763019' date='Jan 26 2009, 09:40 PM']So did Hitler in 1930s Germany.[/quote] So did you mom.
Mercy me Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 He scares teh living daylights out of me. I disagree with him on virtually everything. The fact that his first actions in office endangers innocents only confirms my fear.
Hassan Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 [quote name='apparently' post='1762450' date='Jan 26 2009, 03:30 PM']I choose number three. One thing in particular is O’s Captain Kirk like, speaking tone and mannerisms[/quote] I suspect he's going to force me to accecpt Islam as has been his plan since he was born in Kenya and secretly brought to Hawaii so he could one day run for present and let the gays marry in his rabid quest to destroy the American family and ban the sale of pork which makes me afraid
Hassan Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1763046' date='Jan 27 2009, 12:24 AM']So did you mom.[/quote] So did YOUR mom [img]http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/382oh_snap.jpg[/img]
Jesus_lol Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 [img]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/diablo_man/597.gif[/img]
Hassan Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1763208' date='Jan 27 2009, 02:55 AM'][img]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/diablo_man/597.gif[/img][/quote] Obviously a secret Muslim duck waging Jihad.
Jesus_lol Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 yeah see that funny fuzzy hat looking thing on its head? obviously a turban! he is muslim get'im!!
TotusTuusMaria Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 I marked afraid. Things he has said in the past and decisions he has made already display a distorted morality. He has no sense of right and wrong. Right and wrong are based on how he feels. I see this as dangerous. He is charming. He can preach a fancy speech amazingly well. He is different then everything we have had for the last eight years. Some of his policies are nifty, I am sure. Nevertheless, his morality is distorted and policies aren't absolute. They sometimes change. A speech isn't going to always deliver. And charming ways don't solve problems. When unforeseen difficulties present themselves and he has to make decisions for our country... is he able to? I honestly don't think so. He has no moral restrictions. With a distorted morality can he lead justly? It makes me very afraid. I don't morally trust him. Obama, I hope, like all leaders should, seeks to bring about peace and genuine hope. He cannot though, and he has turned away from the only one who can: Christ. I am afraid. We all should be. Without Christ and without a leader who places their trust in Christ our hope cannot be that he will bring about peace and prosperity in our country. Putting on the lenses of the supernatural, I see very little good coming from his presidency in the long-term future because Christ is not in it and his overall standards of right and wrong… well who knows them? Very scary.
jckinsman Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Be not afraid,pray and have faith that God is with us even when we do elect a man in which moral decay will run rampant through the evil of abortion.
add Posted January 27, 2009 Author Posted January 27, 2009 [img]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d160/wisper3/survey.jpg[/img] I stand corrected, as 23% phatmassers hold middle ground. According to the latest Gallup Poll, Pres. O’s latest job approval rating is 68%. The phatmassers same approval rating is 13% What a contrast!
Hassan Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 [quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1763030' date='Jan 27 2009, 12:03 AM']I suppose I have more faith in hopeful Americans of today than in the hopeful Germans of yesterday. But I do know very well that Hitler rose to power in a similar fashion. In fact, Hitler actually DID come through and deliver a lot of genuine goods for his people. But at what cost? Yes, I know this rhetoric well and it bears a solid point. I suppose I'm just more optimistic; and again, it can't be denied that Obama's win has really energized our side to fight much, much harder.[/quote] No he didn't. The conditions are not simmilar and unless Obama's rise was predicated an appointment to the Chancelorship and blaming a fire on communists then they did not rise to power is "a simmilar fashion".
jkaands Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 He has the potential to become one of our greatest presidents. However, he comes in at one of the worst economic times in our history, in what many are calling The Great Recession (after The Great Depression). That event, the Depression, didn't really end until World War II began in this country, on Dec. 7, 1941, the attack on Pearl Harbor, despite Roosevelt's doing a great deal --The New Deal, the WPA, to stop it. The outgoing administration left this country in one of its worst messes ever, two wars, the one of the worst recessions ever, the war in the Middle East, and our country's power, prestige and influence in a shambles. It will take heroic efforts by Obama, his capable staff and cabinet, and the (fortunately) majority Democratic Congress to restore America's economic and political leadership in the world.
Jesus_lol Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 on the other hand, when i first joined here(and from looking at older threads) you almost coudnt say anything wrong about george bush, because the majority of the forum liked him. that has definitely changed since then. first impressions, hope and fears are not always correct
fides quarens intellectum Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1763509' date='Jan 27 2009, 12:48 PM']on the other hand, when i first joined here(and from looking at older threads) you almost coudnt say anything wrong about george bush, because the majority of the forum liked him. that has definitely changed since then. first impressions, hope and fears are not always correct[/quote] Sorry, but i think the problems PMers had with George W Bush (i.e. economic) don't even compare to the horrors (i.e. anti-life) Obama's reign is already bringing in.
Jesus_lol Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 there was more wrong with George Bush's presidency than just economy, like getting us into wars, lying,removing privacy, etc. now i know the reasoning, nothing can ever be as bad as abortion (except maybe the 35,000 children that die everyday in africa from starvation or AIDS) but a sin is a sin. just because murderers are out there doesn't meant we can't decry the actions of theives and rapists. end hijack anyways, i am still on the fence, though facing towards enthusiastic.
Socrates Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 [quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1763030' date='Jan 27 2009, 12:03 AM']I suppose I have more faith in hopeful Americans of today than in the hopeful Germans of yesterday. But I do know very well that Hitler rose to power in a similar fashion. In fact, Hitler actually DID come through and deliver a lot of genuine goods for his people. But at what cost? Yes, I know this rhetoric well and it bears a solid point. I suppose I'm just more optimistic; and again, it can't be denied that Obama's win has really energized our side to fight much, much harder.[/quote] My point was simply that a politician being popular and giving people a lot of warm fuzzy emotions says nothing about whether he will in fact be a good leader. So far, this hysterical worship of Obama is based entirely on empty emotion, hype and hot air, not on anything real he has accomplished (and I suspect will evaporate once the honeymoon is over and harsh reality has had time to sink in). The truth is there is nothing at all about Obama (nor the widespread mindless worship of him) to give me hope. Obama has made no secret of his radically pro-abortion agenda he is pressing, yet too many "pro-lifers" seem in a state of denial. Legislation like FOCA (which remains a very real possibility) and his Supreme Court nominees will have destructive impact which will long outlast his presidency. And Obama's plans to "save" the economy are pure idiotic lunacy, which will in the long run do just the opposite. He plans to spend nearly a trillion (an unimaginably high number) of federal dollars to bail everyone out of the mess they got themselves in. Then he promises to somehow be able to cover this cost. [i]Where[/i] is all this money going to come from? Out of Obama's own backside? The federal reserve printing worthless money not backed up by anything real and keeping interest rates unnaturally low was a large part of what got us into this mess. While Obama promises "change," he offers merely more of the usual politician nonsense of recklessly spending monstrous amounts of money - but on a scale never seen before. While some of the bleeding hearts on here were not afraid to castigate the Bush administration for reckless spending and bailouts, they have nothing but wild enthusiasm for Obama doing the exact same thing on an even more massive scale. I do indeed hope that Obama's presidency does in fact energize our side to fight harder; however so far I'm seeing too little fight and too much making excuses for Obama. While we should all pray for his conversion, and that would be wonderful, let's not kid ourselves. Until he converts, this man is our enemy, and his agenda should be fought and resisted at every step of the way.
Socrates Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 [quote name='jkaands' post='1763475' date='Jan 27 2009, 02:28 PM']He has the potential to become one of our greatest presidents.[/quote] I have the potential to become Superman. [quote]However, he comes in at one of the worst economic times in our history, in what many are calling The Great Recession (after The Great Depression). That event, the Depression, didn't really end until World War II began in this country, on Dec. 7, 1941, the attack on Pearl Harbor, despite Roosevelt's doing a great deal --The New Deal, the WPA, to stop it. The outgoing administration left this country in one of its worst messes ever, two wars, the one of the worst recessions ever, the war in the Middle East, and our country's power, prestige and influence in a shambles. It will take heroic efforts by Obama, his capable staff and cabinet, and the (fortunately) majority Democratic Congress to restore America's economic and political leadership in the world.[/quote] Nice recitation of the party line. I find it charming. [quote]That event, the Depression, didn't really end until World War II began in this country, on Dec. 7, 1941, the attack on Pearl Harbor,[b] despite Roosevelt's doing a great deal --The New Deal, the WPA, to stop it.[/b][/quote] Yes, Roosevelt's socialism did not end the depression, but prolong it, just as Obama's will.
CatherineM Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 If nothing else, there's definitely going to be change.
Bubblicious Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Just seeing the word [i]President [/i]next to his name makes me shudder.
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