IcePrincessKRS Posted March 21, 2004 Posted March 21, 2004 Apparently you don't realize how often we examine our beliefs! :rotfl: Jesus also founded a Church, a Church which is unified. You attempts to get us to bicker amongst ourselves is quite unattractive to say the least. Conflict isn't always good. Look at Hitler. Look at Martin Luther. Look at people who bicker and cause huge problems in their families, society, community, etc. Something tells me that that is NOT what Jesus had in mind. Frankly, if He were standing here right now I doubt He'd be giving you a pat on the back for trying to get us to argue with each other.
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 21, 2004 Posted March 21, 2004 [quote]I believe conflict is good. As Jesus said, he came not to bring peace, but the sword. Actually my intent is more specifically to allow you guys to examine your beliefs. That perhaps the Catholic Church is just your crutch, the means to your ultra conservative agenda. (I am not putting anyone down. I used to be that way when I was a RC) And after realizing this perhaps you might stop begging the question so much as I did and question more things. [/quote] God is Love and Mercy itself. We must be the same! "Father forgive them, they no not what they do." He was loving even till his death. We must try to do the same. God Bless Peace Jason
littleflower+JMJ Posted March 21, 2004 Posted March 21, 2004 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 21 2004, 02:52 PM'] I believe conflict is good. As Jesus said, he came not to bring peace, but the sword. [/quote] ah! but lets keep in mind Mt... mathew 7:15-20...Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves................ :ph34r: God bless. +JMJ
hopeful1 Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 21 2004, 03:52 PM'] i believe conflict is good. As Jesus said, he came not to bring peace, but the sword. [/quote] if that is what you think jesus came for, then i'm sorry to say you've completely missed the point. you led me to believe that you were asking a legit question, and i was charitable enough to provide you a link to help you, and perhaps help you see we're a little more openminded than you are willing to give us credit for. i am sorry this isn't the case. as for not questioning things go, rest assured that i constantly examine and re-examine what i believe, while i seek to learn more of the truth, and i'm positive most the people here do the same as well. god bless you
hopeful1 Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Mar 21 2004, 04:27 PM'] Conflict isn't always good. Look at Hitler. Look at Martin Luther. Look at people who bicker and cause huge problems in their families, society, community, etc. Something tells me that that is NOT what Jesus had in mind. Frankly, if He were standing here right now I doubt He'd be giving you a pat on the back for trying to get us to argue with each other. [/quote] i think you may be on to something iceprincess
hopeful1 Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 besides, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't that quote about creating division have to do more with separating the jews that believed he was the messiah and the ones who didn't, before the whole passion and ressurrection. to say he came to create division in the sense dairygirl is putting it in, seems to be taking it out of context. but that's just me, please correct me if i'm off.
Aloysius Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 the division is clearly visible in that the only acceptable prejudice left in America is anti-Catholocism. the sword is because He has taken His followers out of worldliness and the world doesn't like it, he didn't commision his church to be full of squabbles and bickering, arguing for the sake of arguing. the sword is the persecution of Christianity that takes place every day.
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 Well Hopeful, thats the problem with private interpretation. Some see that problem, some don't.
popestpiusx Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 The Church is never divided. There can be no division in the Church. She is a spotless bride, perfect, immutable, and gloriously united. Outside the Church (and this includes some who are supposedly inside the Church) there is division and warfare. The sword Christ brought was to ensure the difference. You are either with Him or against Him. If you are with Him, then you will likely pay a heavy price (humanly speaking). It may cause division. It may cause pain and suffering. In fact, He nearly guaranteed that it would. But the reward for giving up the things of the world for His sake is eternal life. Christ's sword separates truth from error, good from evil. He divides the worldly from the heavenly. Holy Mother Church is where we find the True and the Good and within Her fold there is no division.
marielapin Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Mar 22 2004, 12:20 AM'] The Church is never divided. There can be no division in the Church. She is a spotless bride, perfect, immutable, and gloriously united. Outside the Church (and this includes some who are supposedly inside the Church) there is division and warfare. The sword Christ brought was to ensure the difference. You are either with Him or against Him. If you are with Him, then you will likely pay a heavy price (humanly speaking). It may cause division. It may cause pain and suffering. In fact, He nearly guaranteed that it would. But the reward for giving up the things of the world for His sake is eternal life. Christ's sword separates truth from error, good from evil. He divides the worldly from the heavenly. Holy Mother Church is where we find the True and the Good and within Her fold there is no division. [/quote] AMEN! Well said.
hopeful1 Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Mar 21 2004, 11:47 PM'] Well Hopeful, thats the problem with private interpretation. Some see that problem, some don't. [/quote] Tell me ALLL about it!!!
Theoketos Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 Erhum Back to the Question... From the "Life Teen Website" [quote]Great question! If you don’t already know, sex is meant for two things, union and procreation.[/qoute] From John Paul II's "Love and Resposibility", Prpcration is for Procreation, Future Generating, Family Building, Conjugal Ripining. Just an interesting twist Sex is for those two things
hopeful1 Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 yes! Thanks for getting us back on track, Theoketos!
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