Where Is The Holy Grail?

[kafka]

So where is it, and what are your sources?

[CatherineM]

The last supper was held in basically a rented room, so the cup probably belonged to the owner. Had it been retained by the Apostles, I think they would have mentioned it in the Acts of the Apostles. If there had been a reason to keep its existence secret, where would they have hidden it? I don't know.

[Hassan]

[quote name='kafka' post='1781145' date='Feb 15 2009, 12:43 AM']So where is it, and what are your sources?[/quote]


Holding it right now, it was a gift from Pope Leo X

[Apotheoun]

It's at Petra.

[LivingStone]

There's this archaeologist/history professor that I know who goes by the name Dr. Jones. I'm pretty sure he's got it.

[kafka]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1781163' date='Feb 14 2009, 11:55 PM']The last supper was held in basically a rented room, so the cup probably belonged to the owner. Had it been retained by the Apostles, I think they would have mentioned it in the Acts of the Apostles. If there had been a reason to keep its existence secret, where would they have hidden it? I don't know.[/quote]
I disagree that it would have belonged to the owner of the Cenacle, that seems a bit trivial concerning the vessel Jesus Christ used at the Last Supper. I agree that if the Apostles had retained it, it probably would have been revealed in the Acts. And I do agree that it was hidden or in better words lost (according to Providence), though I dont want to post the source I agree with until we get more posts here.

Edited February 15, 2009 by kafka

[Hassan]

[quote name='kafka' post='1781174' date='Feb 15 2009, 01:02 AM']I disagree that it would have belonged to the owner of the Cenacle, that seems a bit trivial concerning the vessel Jesus Christ used at the Last Supper. I agree that if the Apostles had retained it, it probably would have been revealed in the Acts. And I do agree that it was hidden or in better words lost (according to Providence), though I dont want to post the source I agree with until we get more posts here.[/quote]


I've always wondered why the grail was so important as opposed to all the other things Jesus would have used, even at the last supper.

[kafka]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1781187' date='Feb 15 2009, 12:10 AM']I've always wondered why the grail was so important as opposed to all the other things Jesus would have used, even at the last supper.[/quote]
Because that was the vessel He used to institute the Holy Eucharist. That is the vessel He used to consecrate His precious Blood once for all.

Edited February 15, 2009 by kafka

[Hassan]

[quote name='kafka' post='1781196' date='Feb 15 2009, 01:16 AM']Because that was the vessel He used to institute the Holy Eucharist. That is the vessel He used to consecrate His precious Blood once for all.[/quote]


But not the plate?

I'm not trying to be obstinate by the way.

Unless he just held the bread I guess.

[kafka]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1781169' date='Feb 14 2009, 11:59 PM']It's at Petra.[/quote]
I'm curious to know why you think it is at Petra, I've never heard of that theory.

[quote name='Hassan' post='1781203' date='Feb 15 2009, 12:20 AM']But not the plate?

I'm not trying to be obstinate by the way.

Unless he just held the bread I guess.[/quote]
I'm not sure about the plate. I guess the plate is less as significant as the cup since one can hold bread in one's own hand without a plate, yet a cup is necessary to hold wine.

Edited February 15, 2009 by kafka

[Orans]

It is in Valencia, Spain.

Pope John Paul II venerated it when he visited Valencia, there is a beautiful photo of the Pope kissing the Holy Grial [url="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jAr-z0nLqt8/SSxY8kKQLHI/AAAAAAAABgg/Cg2QfDEOns0/s400/pope4.jpg"]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jAr-z0nLqt8/SSxY.../s400/pope4.jpg[/url].

[url="http://www.travelinginspain.com/valencia/holy_grail.htm"]http://www.travelinginspain.com/valencia/holy_grail.htm[/url]

[Orans]

Pope Benedict use the Holy Grail of Valencia for outdoors Mass during his visit there:
[url="http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=20463"]http://www.catholic.org/international/inte...ry.php?id=20463[/url]

[kafka]

The idea that the Grail is in Valencia is based on a story that the martyr-deacon Saint Lawrence was in charge of it and sent it to Spain because of the persecution of Valerian. I dont think that chalice venerated in the Cathedral of Valencia is the true Grail. I am not going to focus on negating this idea, I will try and focus on building up the idea that it is indeed is lost and buried somewhere in Jerusalem.

[eagle_eye222001]

I got it.


























Oh wait............it says on the bottom it's made in China. Does that negate the claim?

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Edited February 15, 2009 by eagle_eye222001

[tinytherese]

Wow, sometime I gotta sit down and watch all of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

[Selah]

I just wish I could find out where the Ark is...and the Holy Grail too, of course. We can all go on a quest to find it! Onward, my friends!

[Aloysius]

the one in Valencia is the best candidate; the red stone agate cup has been dated to either the 2nd or 1st century and it originated in a workshop in either Egypt, Syria, or Palestine

[url="http://ncrcafe.org/node/219"]http://ncrcafe.org/node/219[/url]

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Selah' post='1781351' date='Feb 15 2009, 07:27 AM']I just wish I could find out where the Ark is...and the Holy Grail too, of course. We can all go on a quest to find it! Onward, my friends![/quote]
The Ark is in an Ethiopian Orthodox monastery of Our Lady of Mount Zion in Ethiopia. The story of how it got there is extremely plausible, but of course the monks really have no interest in opening it up to scientific study. If it were in a Roman Church we'd have likely let someone study it by now, but I respect their reverence for it.

[Selah]

That's very interesting. Perhaps it is best to keep it there.

[Aloysius]

they're not about to give it up anyway, lol. I believe one of the monks devotes his entire life solely to the caretaking of the ark.