ironmonk Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) Simple, to the point. Logic and truth demand an answer... the only logical and just answer to this is that all abortion must end. People who support abortion have the wrong point of view... they look at it as the woman's body and not realize that the baby's body is alive. Although I have met on who said that he had no problem with the killing of a living unborn child... was shocked at that answer and couldn't come up with a good rebut of that one at the time. [url="http://www.CatholicSwag.com"]http://www.CatholicSwag.com[/url] [img]http://www.maxbrackett.com/images/magicbirth.jpg[/img] This gives people something to mull over. When people know you're trying to change their mind, they immediately become obstinate because that is human nature... Debates do not change people's minds but cause them to cling harder to their own thoughts... very few people are truly open minded. Debates are great for those on the sidelines, but not for those doing the debating. In a one to one conversation, the wrong party has to come to a conclusion on their own. If someone comes to the realization on their own that life does not magically begin at birth they are more likely to become pro-life than if we try to convince them. God Bless, ironmonk Edited February 24, 2009 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirklawd Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) Good point. This made me think of a line of sarcastic bumperstickers that just say "Pro Magic!" with fairys and unicorns all over them.* *same joke for athiests and the big bang **I apologize for this post not being nearly as humble as the opening post.. Edited February 24, 2009 by Sirklawd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 once I was showing a chat pictires of aborted babies: and got ridiculed for using "Shock value tactics". I dont know what gives with pro-choice people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 [quote name='Tony' post='1791021' date='Feb 24 2009, 11:06 PM']once I was showing a chat pictires of aborted babies: and got ridiculed for using "Shock value tactics". I dont know what gives with pro-choice people[/quote] pro choice people are hurt people! Mostly women whowere being totally mistreated by a man. Killing their unborn child is all that they feel like they have a "choice" in. I know somebody who has seen more than once a guy literally shove his girlfriend into planned parenthood! For some -they have a say-they have power over their body (or so they think) so they make that "choice". Not making it right-it's not. they are still at fault for killing however it helps explain their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Ironmonk-love the t-shirt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 [quote name='Tony' post='1791021' date='Feb 24 2009, 10:06 PM']once I was showing a chat pictires of aborted babies: and got ridiculed for using "Shock value tactics". I dont know what gives with pro-choice people[/quote] Personally I'm not a fan of graphic pictures of aborted babies either. I think it goes against the dignity of the child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 life begins at the moment of conception Based on universally accepted scientific criteria, a new cell, the human zygote, comes into existence at the moment of sperm-egg fusion, an event that occurs in less than a second. Upon formation, the zygote immediately initiates a complex sequence of events that establish the molecular conditions required for continued embryonic development. The behavior of the zygote is radically unlike that of either sperm or egg separately and is characteristic of a human organism. Thus, the scientific evidence supports the conclusion that a zygote is a human organism and that the life of a new human being commences at a scientifically well defined "moment of conception." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 i like it. I saw one the other day that read, "It's a womb. Not a tomb." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1791264' date='Feb 25 2009, 10:37 AM']Personally I'm not a fan of graphic pictures of aborted babies either. I think it goes against the dignity of the child.[/quote] Do movies that show the state of Jews in WWII like Schindler's List and Band of Brothers go against the dignity of those people? Rather, the dignity of these innocents have already been violated in the most horrific way possible, people need to see what they are voting in favor for. If I was brutally murdered and in the arms of Jesus I would want my mom and the homicidal pro-choice crowd to know what they did to me so they may find salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1791264' date='Feb 25 2009, 10:37 AM']Personally I'm not a fan of graphic pictures of aborted babies either. I think it goes against the dignity of the child.[/quote] I had a coworker change her pro-choice position ever since she saw a few photos of first trimester aborted babies on my cell phone. Many do not realize what they are truely supporting until they see it with their own eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximilianus Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 From Father Pavone's blog. [quote][size=3][b]Invite Others to View Images[/b][/size] February 10th, 2009 Today I want to share with you the following email I received from a pro-abortion person who visited the our website at priestsforlife.org and saw the pictures of aborted babies. She wrote, “I have been a pro abortion catholic… After seeing the pictures of what it exactly was, I nearly cried thinking I supported this awful murder. I ask Jesus my Christ to forgive my past way of thinking. I finally “get it.” This is pure murder. I pray that more people will get to know what it is they are supporting.” The person then signed the letter with the pen name, “My Shame.” These pictures, at priestsforlife.org, have this effect on people every day. Invite others to view these images. You may email and print them. Nothing is more effective to end abortion. –Fr. Frank[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 [quote name='Brother Adam' post='1791276' date='Feb 25 2009, 10:03 AM']Do movies that show the state of Jews in WWII like Schindler's List and Band of Brothers go against the dignity of those people? Rather, the dignity of these innocents have already been violated in the most horrific way possible, people need to see what they are voting in favor for. If I was brutally murdered and in the arms of Jesus I would want my mom and the homicidal pro-choice crowd to know what they did to me so they may find salvation.[/quote] I agree! There have been far to many occurrences where women have aborted their babies and then seen their tiny little bodies and know that they have killed a person. Sometimes we must be comforted with the harsh reality and not try to soften the issue. Saying that an unborn child is a person just isn't getting the point across any more. People have become far too desensitized. Sometimes you have to just show them what they are destroying not just tell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virginiancatholic Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 (edited) Some people need to see those pictures, it's true, and for some the reality dawns on them then. Others definitely don't need to see them...personally, I hate all those pictures because I find them extremely hurtful and they cause me extreme mental anguish when I see them. Because I'm such a visually attuned person, violence and grotesque images (and movies) touch me very deeply and I will remember them for the rest of my life, so I avoid seeing such things. Everyone is different, so such pictures will not have the same effect on one person as they did on you or your friend. Another factor is that because everyone is desensitized, for many seeing more violence isn't going to affect them anyway. One of my pet peeves, though, is people showing the pictures around out in public where kids will see them. No child should have to look at aborted fetuses...ever. Period. Many folks are just pro-choice cause they are going with the flow and don't even think about the issue, and because American society today is so adamantly godless and intentionally irrational that they are encouraged not to think things through. Because I'm involved in a heavily scientific field (medicine) most folks here don't deny that the fetus is alive...they know it is, and we know it is a separate entity. It's all legal for them...and impossible to understand why they still support it. Many will say "well, the fetus can't feel, they legally aren't a person, it isn't highly developed yet" and they know they are lying through their teeth. Prayer is what is needed. I actually have more respect for that person who says it is perfectly logical to kill a baby after it is born. Birth is just a change in geography (inside womb vs. outside womb) and geography is not a moral influence on rights. At least they are recognizing: yes, this is cold blooded murder and it shouldn't make a difference whether or not they are born. Peter Singer of Princeton holds this view. Honestly, this "life begins at birth" is just about as arbitrary as "the age of reason begins at 7" or "adulthood begins at 18 or 21." Edited February 25, 2009 by virginiancatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 O ! O ! Can we all send this one to our politicians??????????????? What size do you think Nancy and Joe wear??? [url="http://www.cafepress.com/CatholicSwag.33640604"]http://www.cafepress.com/CatholicSwag.33640604[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 [quote name='virginiancatholic' post='1791485' date='Feb 25 2009, 05:42 PM']Honestly, this "life begins at birth" is just about as arbitrary as "the age of reason begins at 7" or "adulthood begins at 18 or 21."[/quote] using that logic then it would be fair to say that life begins after (all) the kids leave home for college. the Mrs. might disagree with me, on that thought, empty nest syndrome, and all. then there is grandchildren The good lord has not blessed me with grandchildren yet (that i know of) but, I'm looking forward to the day, with great expectations. i have been very blessed with a wonderful wife and companion and three children, all are healthy and strong, so in a very big way my children's lives began long before conception. i would dare say my daughter and two sons lives began on our wedding day, defiantly, life predates conception, at least in my personal case. i believe my offspring are God's plan God is Great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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