Petition The Holy Father For The 5th Marian Dogma

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Pio Nono' post='1797464' date='Mar 4 2009, 03:56 PM']My question is how this "dogma" highlights Jesus Christ. In what way does Mary as Co-redemptrix shed light on a major question of our times concerning the Trinity or Jesus Christ?[/quote]
I'm obviously not in any way a theologian, but on the offchance that the blatantly obvious answer is the right one...

...there'd be no redemption at all without the Trinity and Jesus Christ, so if we consider Mary Co-redemptrix, it could be seen as a tangent off the larger, nigh unbelievable truth that we are offered redemption at all.

Edited March 5, 2009 by Nihil Obstat

[Formosus]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1797419' date='Mar 4 2009, 05:09 PM']That Mary co-redeems is most certainly a universal teaching. Heck, that each Christian plays a role in co-redemption is a universal teaching dating back to St. Paul.[/quote]

If that is the case then what is the point of declaring it for one individual, even if this individual is the Theotokos. There are enough Dogmas out there and I see no point in adding another superflurous one. IF we add this fifth marian Dogma, then I propose that John the Bapist be declared Co-redeemer, or St. Photios of Constantinople be declared Co-redeemer as well.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Formosus' post='1797689' date='Mar 4 2009, 09:47 PM']If that is the case then what is the point of declaring it for one individual, even if this individual is the Theotokos. There are enough Dogmas out there and I see no point in adding another superflurous one. IF we add this fifth marian Dogma, then I propose that John the Bapist be declared Co-redeemer, or St. Photios of Constantinople be declared Co-redeemer as well.[/quote]
Because we declare dogmas when they are pertinent to a contemporary heresy. Now, that raises a perfectly valid point...is there any specific heresy or significant pastoral cause to prompt the declaration of Mary as Co-redemptrix?

In answer to your second objection, while we are all called to co-redemptive work, there is no better model then the Blessed Virgin. Further the "5th Marian Dogma" would contain more than her role as Co-redemptrix, but also here role as Mediatrix of All Graces (which St. John the Baptist and St. Photios were not) and Advocate (which we are all called to be in a lesser way). So it really fits Mary much better than the other saints.

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
3/5 - First Thursday of Lent
[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1797652' date='Mar 4 2009, 10:26 PM']I'm obviously not in any way a theologian, but on the offchance that the blatantly obvious answer is the right one...

...there'd be no redemption at all without the Trinity and Jesus Christ, so if we consider Mary Co-redemptrix, it could be seen as a tangent off the larger, nigh unbelievable truth that we are offered redemption at all.[/quote]
True enough, but is this really a contemporary heresy/concern? You've made sense of the proposed dogma, and it makes enough sense, but are we in a situation where it answers a question being posed by contemporary culture/theology?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Pio Nono' post='1798254' date='Mar 5 2009, 02:54 PM']JMJ
3/5 - First Thursday of Lent

True enough, but is this really a contemporary heresy/concern? You've made sense of the proposed dogma, and it makes enough sense, but are we in a situation where it answers a question being posed by contemporary culture/theology?[/quote]
Obviously 'above my pay grade', but could Protestant attacks on the nature of Mary be relevant?
Many Catholics as well don't have a very clear understanding of Mary.

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
3/5 - First Thursday of Lent
[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1798262' date='Mar 5 2009, 05:03 PM']Obviously 'above my pay grade', but could Protestant attacks on the nature of Mary be relevant?
Many Catholics as well don't have a very clear understanding of Mary.[/quote]
I suppose this brings me back to my original point - "Marian" dogmas aren't about Mary, they're about Jesus or the Trinity.