ruso Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 What prospects think from a Catholic?, ALL bishops of USA, from Burke to Mahoney, support this: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQT7BtKnUBI&feature=channel_page"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQT7BtKnUBI...re=channel_page[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkkh Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I think there does need to be regulation. We do not want to allow potentially harmful people into the United States. I do think we should allow and encourage people from all over the world to move to the USA though, through proper means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I think countries have the right to protect their borders, but as the grand-daughter of immigrants and currently an immigrant myself, I think immigration laws should be more liberal. It took 16 months, and two sets of FBI fingerprint cards to convince Canadian Immigration that I wasn't a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) [quote]Illegal Immigration, What Do You Think As A Catholic?.[/quote] I think its illegal. Have you ever taken the time to look at Mexican immigration laws? US laws are tame. Edited March 12, 2009 by Brother Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 As Catholics, we should do what the Holy Father says, which is that all Catholics should respect and follow the laws of the nations that they travel to and/or go to live in. That right there solves the issue of ILLEGAL immigration. If someone isn't allowed by law to be here, then get out. I would personally escort them to the border and I wouldn't feel an ounce of guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I think many of the concerns about immigration are the same today as they have been the last few centuries. The ethnicities have changed, the diseases have changed, but the concerns are mostly the same. If they follow the legal process, then let them in. If they don't, then they don't deserve to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1804199' date='Mar 11 2009, 09:17 PM']If they follow the legal process, then let them in. If they don't, then they don't deserve to be here.[/quote] Dingdingding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1804192' date='Mar 11 2009, 09:13 PM']If someone isn't allowed by law to be here, then get out. I would personally escort them to the border and I wouldn't feel an ounce of guilt.[/quote] There's that good Christian mercy Anyway, to the OP. Any nation has a right to control their borders, however obstinant legalism does not help. We need to figure out a solution which is both mercyful and mutually beneficial to America and the Mexicans who's labour we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1804199' date='Mar 11 2009, 09:17 PM']If they don't, then they don't deserve to be here.[/quote] The first Europeans who came to America generally didn't ask the Indians for permission. Yet people give them a pass. I believe people should follow the law. But I also believe that illegal immigration is a complex social problem, and should not be dealt with by merciless deportation. How should it be dealt with? That's a complex question, and I don't think there is an easy answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Era Might' post='1804230' date='Mar 11 2009, 09:33 PM']The first Europeans who came to America generally didn't ask the Indians for permission. Yet people give them a pass.[/quote] Shhh! Next you'll start talking about just how the South West became part of the US [quote]I believe people should follow the law. But I also believe that illegal immigration is a complex social problem, and should not be dealt with by merciless deportation. How should it be dealt with? That's a complex question, and I don't think there is an easy answer.[/quote] Unfortunatly many refuse to recognise this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I think the system could be streamlined and made more inexpensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1804242' date='Mar 11 2009, 09:37 PM']I think the system could be streamlined and made more inexpensive.[/quote] My immigration cost $5000 all together. The process was incredibly difficult. I have a law degree, have done some immigration law, and speak English as my native language, and I found the forms extremely complicated. I can't image doing them as an under educated person who speaks another language. That doesn't even count the personal, invasive medical exams I had to endure and the personal questions. The next person who asks me to describe my husband's anatomy is getting punched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1804293' date='Mar 12 2009, 12:08 AM']My immigration cost $5000 all together. The process was incredibly difficult. I have a law degree, have done some immigration law, and speak English as my native language, and I found the forms extremely complicated. I can't image doing them as an under educated person who speaks another language. That doesn't even count the personal, invasive medical exams I had to endure and the personal questions. The next person who asks me to describe my husband's anatomy is getting punched.[/quote] I don't think I want to know the details, but people's anatomy is nobody's business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1804331' date='Mar 11 2009, 10:53 PM']I don't think I want to know the details, but people's anatomy is nobody's business![/quote] They have a lot of marriage fraud in Canada where someone pays a Canadian citizen to marry them so they can immigrate. Immigration Officers are allowed to ask any question they want to in order to ascertain whether the marriage is valid or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) [quote name='ruso' post='1804139' date='Mar 11 2009, 09:46 PM']What prospects think from a Catholic?, ALL bishops of USA, from Burke to Mahoney, support this: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQT7BtKnUBI&feature=channel_page"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQT7BtKnUBI...re=channel_page[/url][/quote] From the Catechism... [b]1918 [/b]"There is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God" (Rom 13:1). [b]1919 [/b]Every human community needs an authority in order to endure and develop. [b]1920 [/b]"The political community and public authority are based on human nature and therefore . . . belong to an order established by God" (GS 74 § 3). [b]1921 [/b]Authority is exercised legitimately if it is committed to the common good of society. To attain this it must employ morally acceptable means. [b]1922 [/b]The diversity of political regimes is legitimate, provided they contribute to the good of the community. [b]1923 [/b]Political authority must be exercised within the limits of the moral order and must guarantee the conditions for the exercise of freedom. [b]1924 [/b]The common good comprises "the sum total of social conditions which allow people, either as groups or as individuals, to reach their fulfillment more fully and more easily" (GS 26 § 1). [b]1925 [/b]The common good consists of three essential elements: respect for and promotion of the fundamental rights of the person; prosperity, or the development of the spiritual and temporal goods of society; the peace and security of the group and of its members. [b]1926 [/b]The dignity of the human person requires the pursuit of the common good. Everyone should be concerned to create and support institutions that improve the conditions of human life. [b]1927 [/b]It is the role of the state to defend and promote the common good of civil society. The common good of the whole human family calls for an organization of society on the international level. [b]2241 [/b]The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him. Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens. Edited March 12, 2009 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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