cmotherofpirl Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 [url="http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/commentary/hc-commentaryhendershott0315.artmar15,0,4784386.story"]http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/commen...0,4784386.story[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 What a joke group. Wonder what biblical and Traditional evidence they use to support their cause? ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/counting+crows+%26+vanessa+carlton/track/big+yellow+taxi"]Counting Crows & Vanessa Carlton - Big Yellow Taxi[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 If they are that upset, why don't they just join another church, or quit going all together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galloglasses' Alt Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) Because it more fun to fight the power Everyone wants to be a martyr for the cause, even it is silly. Edited March 15, 2009 by Galloglasses' Alt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 "Catholic Dissidents Pressing For Liberalization Of Church Authority" "Dog Bites Man" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 random comment with nothing to do with this thread. it's ironic the word 'liberalization' is used. cause, in economics, the classic and scholarly use of the word essentially means to 'do away with government and regulations etc'. 'liberalization' was derided by popes consistently back in the day as well. course, they deride socialism, pure socialism, that is. but there's a difference between a certain regulated and government involved market, and socialism. just making a random comment that liberal hasn't always meant what conservatives nowadays think it does, as even the popes have historically acknowledged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I wonder if the hardline liberals are ever going to declare an antipope and start a schism... Maybe sometime in the future? Seems like something that they might pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) [quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1807843' date='Mar 15 2009, 06:58 PM']What a joke group. Wonder what biblical and Traditional evidence they use to support their cause? ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/counting+crows+%26+vanessa+carlton/track/big+yellow+taxi"]Counting Crows & Vanessa Carlton - Big Yellow Taxi[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url][/quote] see orthodoxy. 'liberal catholics' and orthodoxy, are surely not exactly the same. but, there's an irony involved that the same arguments orthodox could use to say down with the pope, are the same a liberal catholic could use. (ironic also, cause most would not call an orthodox person 'liberal'. Edited March 16, 2009 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1807853' date='Mar 15 2009, 06:08 PM']If they are that upset, why don't they just join another church, or quit going all together?[/quote] Well, that would take all the fun out of rebellion and getting attention, now wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1808150' date='Mar 15 2009, 10:30 PM']I wonder if the hardline liberals are ever going to declare an antipope and start a schism... Maybe sometime in the future? Seems like something that they might pull.[/quote] It IS interesting that the only schismatics are the ones that are so because they claim the Church presently isn't orthodox ENOUGH, not because the Church isn't LIBERAL enough. I think this mainly has to do with the fact that at least the schismatics have a respect for the idea of a head, whereas the liberals all want to be heads of themselves. It's not just the current Pope and the previous Pope they have issues with: they don't want to be under a Pope AT ALL. So, in answer to your question I don't think the liberals would break off and have their own liberal version of an anti-pope since the idea of authority is the very thing they despise the most. The community of one ultra-liberal Religious sister I know doesn't even have a superior in the traditional meaning of the word in regards to Religious life. They simply refer to the sister "in charge" as "President" and they refer to the community heads in general as "our Leadership. It's so weird, and so schizophrenic. On the one hand they KNOW they have to have a head, but on the other hand they do whatever they can to keep from referring to their head as such. I think this sums up the general attitude of all liberal, dissident Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1808147' date='Mar 15 2009, 11:27 PM']random comment with nothing to do with this thread. it's ironic the word 'liberalization' is used. cause, in economics, the classic and scholarly use of the word essentially means to 'do away with government and regulations etc'. 'liberalization' was derided by popes consistently back in the day as well. course, they deride socialism, pure socialism, that is. but there's a difference between a certain regulated and government involved market, and socialism. just making a random comment that liberal hasn't always meant what conservatives nowadays think it does, as even the popes have historically acknowledged.[/quote] Good point, but not really news. The words "liberal" and "liberalism" mean something different depending on different countries as well. In Japan, for example, the "liberals" are the ones who are opposite of the "nationalists" (or what might be called "conservatives") who want autonomy for Japan with no interference from other cultures and nations. It has nothing whatsoever to do with what we consider liberal and conservative. Same goes for South Korea, where a person may define their beliefs as "conservative" but this only means they are "culturally traditional". It doesn't have the same implications as with conservatives in America. The word liberal, coming from liberty, simply means "freedom". So it depends on what the individual wants to be free from. In the case of American liberals, they seem to want to be free of any restraint on their actions and morals. Regarding liberals in Japan, they want to be free from the constraints of strict, traditional, nationalistic Japanese culture and society. Totally different types of liberalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galloglasses' Alt Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Fun fact. technically there are no groups in Ireland that can be defined as 'Liberal' Sure, a socialist group here or there, but no-one specifically liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 What is commonly called "liberalism" in modern America is more accurately called socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm working on the idea of calling leftists leftists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galloglasses' Alt Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1809302' date='Mar 16 2009, 09:21 PM']I'm working on the idea of calling leftists leftists.[/quote] Yay! Catch all term get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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