cmotherofpirl Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 [url="http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/choicers+deny+doctors+right+choose+life/1385274/story.html"]http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/choicers...5274/story.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 How would you feel about a Jehova's Whitness doctor being allowed to refuse to give you an emergency blood transfusion because it violated his or her moral principals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1807815' date='Mar 15 2009, 07:02 PM']How would you feel about a Jehova's Whitness doctor being allowed to refuse to give you an emergency blood transfusion because it violated his or her moral principals?[/quote] JWs aren't MDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1807818' date='Mar 15 2009, 06:07 PM']JWs aren't MDs.[/quote] ok, a doctor who, for whatever reason, believes blood transfusions are gravely immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1807815' date='Mar 15 2009, 06:02 PM']How would you feel about a Jehova's Whitness doctor being allowed to refuse to give you an emergency blood transfusion because it violated his or her moral principals?[/quote] Well that's an emergent matter, isn't it? Bad analogy. A better one: How would we feel about a convenience store not carrying our brand of soft drink? Procured abortion is a matter of convenience, not life or death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1807821' date='Mar 15 2009, 05:09 PM']Well that's an emergent matter, isn't it? Bad analogy. A better one: How would we feel about a convenience store not carrying our brand of soft drink? Procured abortion is a matter of convenience, not life or death.[/quote] Yeap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1807821' date='Mar 15 2009, 06:09 PM']Well that's an emergent matter, isn't it? Bad analogy. A better one:[/quote] I wasn't trying to craft an analogy. I wanted to get some idea of what she considered appropiate with regards to doctors dispensing medical treatment in accords with their personal moral beliefs. If she would force a doctor to give a blood transfusion to save a life then she does not consider a doctors personal morals sacrosanct with regards to molding their professional activities. From there we could do a dialectic until we arrive at a close understanding of what her position actually is and then see how it relates to this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1807824' date='Mar 15 2009, 06:14 PM']I wasn't trying to craft an analogy. I wanted to get some idea of what she considered appropiate with regards to doctors dispensing medical treatment in accords with their personal moral beliefs. If she would force a doctor to give a blood transfusion to save a life then she does not consider a doctors personal morals sacrosanct with regards to molding their professional activities. From there we could do a dialectic until we arrive at a close understanding of what her position actually is and then see how it relates to this case.[/quote] I accept your surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Unless she just told me. But people (myself included) rarely give an truely accurate picture that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Honestly, I'm a little confused by your tactics, so I'm going to act tough until I figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1807835' date='Mar 15 2009, 06:26 PM']Honestly, I'm a little confused by your tactics, so I'm going to act tough until I figure it out.[/quote] His tactic is to drum up a ridiculous analogy that does not even [i]compare[/i] to the actual point of discussion in order to make the Catholic opinion look absurd. Refusing to administer a blood transfusion is not even [i]close[/i] to refusing to abort a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1807841' date='Mar 15 2009, 05:39 PM']His tactic is to drum up a ridiculous analogy that does not even [i]compare[/i] to the actual point of discussion in order to make the Catholic opinion look absurd. Refusing to administer a blood transfusion is not even [i]close[/i] to refusing to abort a child.[/quote] With all due respect you and Madam V may wish to stop explaining my motives, beliefs, and tactics to other as neither of you are, let us say, very gifted at discerning them. [i] I wasn't trying to craft an analogy. I wanted to get some idea of what she considered appropiate with regards to doctors dispensing medical treatment in accords with their personal moral beliefs. If she would force a doctor to give a blood transfusion to save a life then she does not consider a doctors personal morals sacrosanct with regards to molding their professional activities. From there we could do a dialectic until we arrive at a close understanding of what her position actually is and then see how it relates to this case.[/i] That is my tactic. Nothing more and nothing less. Now you say refusing to administer a blood transfusion is not even close to refusing to abort a baby. I guess with regards to a doctors personal moral beliefs I'd have to ask your methodology at determining that. Edited March 15, 2009 by Hassan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 He's got a point. The wording was provocative, but his claim is plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1807824' date='Mar 15 2009, 07:14 PM']I wasn't trying to craft an analogy. I wanted to get some idea of what she considered appropiate with regards to doctors dispensing medical treatment in accords with their personal moral beliefs. If she would force a doctor to give a blood transfusion to save a life then she does not consider a doctors personal morals sacrosanct with regards to molding their professional activities. From there we could do a dialectic until we arrive at a close understanding of what her position actually is and then see how it relates to this case.[/quote] Doctors already dispense medical treatment according to their personal belief. You don't leave your personal beliefs at the door unless you are a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1807854' date='Mar 15 2009, 06:09 PM']Doctors already dispense medical treatment according to their personal belief. You don't leave your personal beliefs at the door unless you are a politician.[/quote] Sure, but I would like to know what you consider an accecptable range of behavior in this regard. Would you support a doctor not giving an emergency blood transfusion because it was contrary to his moral beliefs? I don't care so much about that question as figuring out what the range is for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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