Arpy Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1811713' date='Mar 19 2009, 11:54 AM']I can think of one or two bitter Christians.[/quote] So can I. I don't think he was by any means excluding Christians from the possibility of being bitter.
KnightofChrist Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1811713' date='Mar 19 2009, 02:54 PM']I can think of one or two bitter Christians.[/quote] So I can, but it is namely the atheists that come to Christian sites that seem to be bitter.
TotusTuusMaria Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='bonkers' post='1811447' date='Mar 19 2009, 09:59 AM']Isn't it ironic that I feel "free-er" than I ever was when I was Catholic. It's just perpcetion isn't it? You feel freed and liberated by the truth, as do I.. we just happen to believe very differently.[/quote] The point is Christianity does not lock you up and put a hindrance on your life, as you stated. It isn't as "fact" as you make it out to be.
TotusTuusMaria Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1811684' date='Mar 19 2009, 03:17 PM']Well I don't know, many atheist seem to be bitter people, including you bonkers, just saying. On the web they often come to Christian website show that bitterness, bitterness doesn't seem very free. Why they actually come to Christian websites is something that makes me think, do they deep down question their faith in the no god and seek the happiness that Christians have, or do they come to vindicate their faith to try and rid themselves of that doubt in the no god.[/quote] Bonkers, whether you mean to or not, you do seem very bitter. It makes it very difficult to believe that you actually are "free." You come off very angry, prejudice, and bitter a lot of the time.
Hassan Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1811732' date='Mar 19 2009, 04:13 PM']It makes it very difficult to believe that you actually are "free." You come off very angry, prejudice, and bitter a lot of the time. [/quote] Pot. kettle. black
TotusTuusMaria Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1811713' date='Mar 19 2009, 03:54 PM']I can think of one or two bitter Christians.[/quote] Yes, I can too. But I can't think of two or even one bitter saint. When supposed Christians are truly living their life for Christ and practicing their faith He is their strength, joy, and peace and most people, because of the fruits of that prayer in their life, would never call them a "bitter" person. Do you honestly know someone who you consider to be absolutely in love with Christ and practicing their faith ardently that is bitter?
Lil Red Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 +J.M.J.+ [color="red"][b]off topic posts will be deleted. the topic is: "Would Islam be more effective in fighting AIDS than Christianity?"[/b][/color]
TotusTuusMaria Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Lil Red' post='1811743' date='Mar 19 2009, 04:18 PM']+J.M.J.+ off topic posts will be deleted. the topic is: "Would Islam be more effective in fighting AIDS than Christianity?"[/quote] That may be the topic of the thread, but it is not what bonkers, from what Hassan and bonkers have written, are trying to argue. Bonkers did not start this thread. The mods moved it and re-named it, and I don't think perhaps whoever the mod was fully grasped what apparently bonkers and hassan wanted to argue. This isn't about Islam vs. Christianity in a fight against AIDS: which way is better. It is about Christianity's way just being wrong and the discussion is whether Christianity needs to compromise and actually "care" for the Africans or watch them die by being stubborn hypocrites. And the argument is whether Christianity's way truly is wrong and does it need to be implemented above all other ways? Hassan has already said that neither of them truly believe that Islam is the solution. They are just convinced that Christianity isn't... I respect all who want to keep this on topic and want to avoid lameness however this topic can go in many good directions and I am hoping the mods will respect that. This thread was not named correctly and it is silly to try to keep us on a topic that never was. Edited March 19, 2009 by TotusTuusMaria
Hassan Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1811754' date='Mar 19 2009, 04:24 PM']That may be the topic of the thread, but it is not what bonkers, from what Hassan and bonkers have written, are trying to argue. Bonkers did not start this thread. The mods moved it and re-named it, and I don't think perhaps whoever the mod was fully grasped what apparently bonkers and hassan wanted to argue. This isn't about Islam vs. Christianity in a fight against AIDS: which way is better.[/quote]
Lil Red Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1811754' date='Mar 19 2009, 01:24 PM']That may be the topic of the thread, but it is not what bonkers, from what Hassan and bonkers have written, are trying to argue. Bonkers did not start this thread. The mods moved it and re-named it, and I don't think perhaps whoever the mod was fully grasped what apparently bonkers and hassan wanted to argue. This isn't about Islam vs. Christianity in a fight against AIDS: which way is better. It is about Christianity's way just being wrong and the discussion is whether Christianity needs to compromise and actually "care" for the Africans or watch them die by being stubborn hypocrites. And the argument is whether Christianity's way truly is wrong and does it need to be implemented above all other ways?[/quote] +J.M.J.+ i moved it and i re-named it, because it was detracting from the original purpose of the thread that it was in. and thank you for the slam, but i'll ignore it. it isn't obvious to me, so sorry i'm too thick for you. if you want to open another thread on what you are discussing, i have no problem with it. but perhaps there's a reason i titled it the way i did. so stay on that topic. thanks.
StColette Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='bonkers' post='1810554' date='Mar 18 2009, 12:24 PM']My opinion is that if the church and secular groups truly give a stuff about reducing AIDS they should work together to roll out the ABC program in every AIDS affected country in Africa, but of course this involves making compromises and [b]neither side is prepared to do this hence why little progress is being made and millions of people are dying every year.[/b][/quote] Even if either side were to make compromises they cannot force people to commit to anything, even if threatened with severe punishments. People commit murder everyday and they know the possible consequence is life in prison or death, but they still continue to commit those crimes. What makes you think that threatened with beatings or/and death is going to keep people from sleeping around.
KnightofChrist Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 I thought since bonkers last post from 9am this morning about freedom in and outside the Church was part of this topic since it was moved at 12pm with the rest, which cause my confusion. I thought that I would only point out that bitterness is a sign of lacking freedom. But I will obey and say no more.
TotusTuusMaria Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1811759' date='Mar 19 2009, 04:29 PM']+J.M.J.+ i moved it and i re-named it, because it was detracting from the original purpose of the thread that it was in. and thank you for the slam, but i'll ignore it. it isn't obvious to me, so sorry i'm too thick for you. if you want to open another thread on what you are discussing, i have no problem with it. but perhaps there's a reason i titled it the way i did. so stay on that topic. thanks. [/quote] I am just saying it was never the topic. We are going to find it increasingly difficult to stay on a topic no one was trying to argue in the first place. Can the thread not be re-named to what it is actually discussing?
Hassan Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1811759' date='Mar 19 2009, 04:29 PM']+J.M.J.+ i moved it and i re-named it, because it was detracting from the original purpose of the thread that it was in. and thank you for the slam, but i'll ignore it. it isn't obvious to me, so sorry i'm too thick for you. if you want to open another thread on what you are discussing, i have no problem with it. but perhaps there's a reason i titled it the way i did. so stay on that topic. thanks. [/quote] I don't understand how this was ever off topic (OP). It was in response to the Pope's statment about condomes in Africa and the arguments affirming it. I don't think TTM was trying to "slam" you. I don't know how she would have even known you did it. I don't think anyone here thinks your think. An evil lame board thread hijaker would would shamelessly destroy my beautifully crafted flow of non sense thread-yes, but thick? No.
StColette Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 According to Bonkers last post before it was derailed by being "free-er" he holds the following position: [quote]I was actually questioning why you thought christianity was the sole solution to the AIDS epidemic? I was pointing out that Islam could do a better job of it, probably Buddhism as well. What makes christian values so special? I also think christianity restricts people freedoms, probably not as violently as Islam, but the church tends to exert an inordinate amount of control on people's lives, and this could be considered unethical by many seculars.[/quote] He still stands by the point that he believes Islam and possibly BUddhism would have better luck handling the AIDs epidemic. I have yet to see him recant this post saying that he doesn't hold this position. Hassan may not hold this position, but I have yet to see Bonkers say that Islam and possibly Buddhism would not be better suited to handle the situation. So, I'm in agreement with Red that the title is correct in the original post from Bonkers. The topic seemed to derail after TTM spoke about how she was free-er being Catholic in responses to only a portion of Bonkers post, which I quoted above.
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1811763' date='Mar 19 2009, 05:30 PM']I am just saying it was never the topic. We are going to find it increasingly difficult to stay on a topic no one was trying to argue in the first place. Can the thread not be re-named to what it is actually discussing?[/quote] No. Red stated that the topic being discussed is what the title of the thread is. If you want to argue bitterness of atheists go start a new thread. Case closed.
franciscanheart Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [mod]If you don't feel the thread is appropriately titled for what you intend to discuss, start a new thread. Either get on topic or the thread is closed. Thanks. - The Moderating Team[/mod]
TotusTuusMaria Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) Ok. I apologize for derailing the thread. Edited March 19, 2009 by TotusTuusMaria
franciscanheart Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1811787' date='Mar 19 2009, 03:50 PM']Ok. I apologize for derailing the thread.[/quote] No problem... this time. Now... back to the discussion...
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