Could A Pope Become An Antichrist ?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1840352' date='Apr 19 2009, 06:47 AM']I probally dont undersand what you are saying then.
Nevermind.[/quote]

I was saying that "whoever wishes to be saved must, first of all, hold the Catholic faith". The fact that Protestants have partial communion with the Church doesn't magically dispel the culpable ignorance or lack of ignorance that some of them have.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1840355' date='Apr 19 2009, 05:51 AM']GoldenChild I love how you keep acting like your gonna leave. haahhaahhahahaah

imi the say way [/quote]

dude I know. It's crazy I need to just shut up hah

[Guest]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1840356' date='Apr 19 2009, 05:53 AM']I don't really think we are in the end-times any more than when St. John said we were.[/quote]

That is very interesting and I hope that it is true !

[Guest]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1840358' date='Apr 19 2009, 05:54 AM']dude I know. It's crazy I need to just shut up hah[/quote]

na what fun is that.

[Guest]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1840357' date='Apr 19 2009, 05:54 AM']I was saying that "whoever wishes to be saved must, first of all, hold the Catholic faith". The fact that Protestants have partial communion with the Church doesn't magically dispel the culpable ignorance or lack of ignorance that some of them have.[/quote]

Ya I feel ya and there some hatefull protestants to. I was more going towards the christain who is filled with joy and walks in love and really loves the lord.

but

I see what you are saying though without a doubt.

Edited April 19, 2009 by Guest

[Resurrexi]

Nice Protestants are not necessarily invincibly ignorant.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1840359' date='Apr 19 2009, 05:56 AM']That is very interesting and I hope that it is true ![/quote]

I edited that post... I'm not sure if we are or aren't. But I don't think that means the end of the Church. I think, after reading various prophecies, that there will be a time where Satan reigns supreme using the anti-Christ to cause havoc on earth and there will be an anti-pope in power to help him. I think this time could be not too far off, but maybe it is I dunno. Regardless, after this time of heresy Mary will reign and the Church will return to its glory and place of respect on earth until the end of time.

[Guest]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1840363' date='Apr 19 2009, 06:00 AM']I edited that post... I'm not sure if we are or aren't. But I don't think that means the end of the Church. I think, after reading various prophecies, that there will be a time where Satan reigns supreme using the anti-Christ to cause havoc on earth and there will be an anti-pope in power to help him. I think this time could be not too far off, but maybe it is I dunno. Regardless, after this time of heresy Mary will reign and the Church will return to its glory and place of respect on earth until the end of time.[/quote]

From my understanding when the antichrist (satan in the flesh) comes to the earth at the 6th trump and isssues the mark of the beast, that after that Jesus Christ comes and we go into eternity.

[Resurrexi]

I don't think that it is possible for Satan to be made flesh as Christ was. Usually when people speak of "the devil incarnate" it's a hyperbolic metaphor.

[Guest]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1840365' date='Apr 19 2009, 06:03 AM']I don't think that it is possible for Satan to be made flesh as Christ was. Usually when people speak of "the devil incarnate" it's a hyperbolic metaphor.[/quote]

Dont the bible say when the antichrist comes it will be satan in the flesh ? And he will permorm miracles even making fire come down from heaven ?

[Guest]

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 13:11-18 (Cont.)
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

[Guest]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1840362' date='Apr 19 2009, 06:00 AM']Nice Protestants are not necessarily invincibly ignorant.[/quote]

lol ok well all we are going to do is run around in circles then.

Again im talking about christains who love God and have fruit to show it.

I see your argument if you love God you will become catholic but that isn't how it always works.

At any rate hopefully they can become catholic and experience him in the eucharist.

[Resurrexi]

I admit that I know little about end times. What I do know is that "iterum venturus est cum gloria iudicare vivos et mortuos" ("He is going to come again with glory to judge the alive and the dead") and that "expecto resurrectionem mortuorum" ("I await the resurrection of the dead").

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1840368' date='Apr 19 2009, 07:13 AM']lol ok well all we are going to do is run around in circles then.

Again im talking about christains who love God and have fruit to show it.

I see your argument if you love God you will become catholic but that isn't how it always works.

At any rate hopefully they can become catholic and experience him in the eucharist.[/quote]

Some Protestants do some good things. This is true. So do atheists. You don't have to be in the state of grace to do good things.

[Guest]

dude i dont know that much either.
i just know from what i have learned here and from other christian teachers.
i know the main thing is the antichrist comes first at the 6th trump before the true christ.
and the bible says many will be decieved.
but we got the church so they will keep us informed.
i put to much time into thinking about it
27 w/o a g/f what do you expect lol

[Resurrexi]

Perhaps you should get into parish politics...

[Guest]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1840371' date='Apr 19 2009, 07:22 AM']Some Protestants do some good things. This is true. So do atheists. You don't have to be in the state of grace to do good things.[/quote]

Ok all im saying is God is good and I feel God is going to save someone who truelly belives in him and walks in love and repents of their sins.
And I accpet them as my brothers and sisters in Chirst.

Edited April 19, 2009 by Guest

[Guest]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1840373' date='Apr 19 2009, 07:24 AM']Perhaps you should get into parish politics...[/quote]

what's that ?

[abercius24]

I apologize if my theory (that the anti-Christ may be an anti-Pope someday) has caused some confusion. That is in fact speculative theology and should be seen as nothing other than an educated guess on what may come to pass.

But I should point out that if an anti-Pope were to exist as the anti-Christ, there would also be a true Pope hiding underground with the rest of us who were being persecuted for our faith by that same anti-Christ. And if this anti-Pope were able to convince many that he was the real Pope, many of the faithful would live temporarily in a state of great confusion, but the false and contrary doctrines the anti-Pope would be putting forth would easily act as an undeniable indicator to us that the true Pope was in fact in hiding.

It should also be pointed out that Papal Infallibility transcends time -- particularly the reign of one Pope to another. Popes therefore cannot contradict each other's infallible statements, nor can they contradict the universal infallibility the magesterium has claim to as part of dogmatic decrees made at Ecumenical Councils. Any Pope who would dare do such a thing would easily demonstrate himself to in fact be an anti-Pope (and the faithful would be searching the globe for the real Pope as a result). And if this were the case in the possible scenario of the anti-Christ, then I would imagine it would be that much more obvious given the atrocities and viscious heresies the anti-Christ has been fortold to spearhead.

And I would also like to say that everything Aloysius said is on the money -- as usual!

Edited April 19, 2009 by abercius24

[Guest]

[quote name='abercius24' post='1840390' date='Apr 19 2009, 08:29 AM'][font="Arial Black"]But I should point out that if an anti-Pope were to exist as the anti-Christ, there would also be a true Pope hiding underground with the rest of us who were being persecuted for our faith by that same anti-Christ. [/font][/quote]



That's all I need to know right there !
Thanks bro and Godbless.