United Air To Charge Obese Fliers Twice

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1837797' date='Apr 16 2009, 07:59 PM']I think we need to bring back rail travel in the United States.[/quote]
Don't like the whole "employment" thing, eh?

[dUSt]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1838719' date='Apr 17 2009, 03:47 PM']Don't like the whole "employment" thing, eh?
[/quote]
My vision is a rail/air network.

I say get rid of all short haul flights usually made by planes that hold less than 70 passengers, and replace with high speed rails.

1. Less traffic on the streets
2. Less clutter in the skies

Ride the high speed train to your airport, fly to destination.

My vision also calls for Amtrak, and all airlines except for Delta and United to fold. We would be left with two companies:

Delta Travel Lines
United Travelines

[princessgianna]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1837797' date='Apr 16 2009, 06:59 PM']I think we need to bring back rail travel in the United States.[/quote]
I'm listening! And I'm liking!

[jeffpugh]

I like trains.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1839600' date='Apr 18 2009, 09:58 AM']I like trains.[/quote]

Trains are overrated.

[princessgianna]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1839604' date='Apr 18 2009, 11:01 AM']Trains are overrated.[/quote]
you are right-now the shikansens on the other hand...

[img]http://www.japan-travel-information.com/images/500.shinkansen.jpg[/img]

[Adrestia]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1837790' date='Apr 16 2009, 06:50 PM']Canadian airlines are required to give an obese person a second seat for free. They had a lawsuit go all the way to the Supreme Court, and obese people in Canada are deemed to have a disability and can not be discriminated against.

By the way, I assure you that the cramped seats caused by an obese person are every bit as uncomfortable for the obese person, who in addition to being uncomfortable physically, is also subjected to the embarrassment of having to ask for a seat belt extender, and sometimes subjected to verbal abuse from the crew and other passengers.

And yes, they should just lose weight, and until then, they should stay at home, not travel or inconvenience more normal (and therefore more acceptable) people by their presence.[/quote]

Paying for both seats is considered discrimination? I guess they are comparing to having a wheelchair bound person to pay for the ramp when they can't take the stairs... they have a good point.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='tgoldson' post='1840124' date='Apr 18 2009, 10:55 PM']Paying for both seats is considered discrimination? I guess they are comparing to having a wheelchair bound person to pay for the ramp when they can't take the stairs... they have a good point.[/quote]

All business have expenses that are considered legally, "part of the cost of doing business." Having put in a handicap toilet in our home, I know they are more expensive that a regular one. Restaurants, malls, etc., have to make accommodations for patrons who are different. If the airlines want to make everyone pay by the pound, luggage included, and provide the amount of space that everyone needs to comfortably use their service. My husband is 6'5". He flies a lot, and he is never comfortable. When his plane hits turbulence, he comes home with his knees covered in horrible bruises. People are quick to tell the overweight that they need to lose weight, but no one tells my husband to cut his legs off at the knee.

I remember being that skinny person crushed on a plane. When I was hurt, one of the injuries I sustained was a torque injury to my thyroid, which is in the neck. It took many years, and many pounds before they could even figure out what had happened to my thyroid because I had so many other worse injuries to deal with. Even when they finally figured it out, I couldn't be properly medicated, because every time we got close to a proper dose, my blood pressure would blow sky high. I can only take enough synthroid to avoid seizures, but not enough to help my metabolism. Everything I eat is weighed and measured first, calories severely restricted, but I'm lucky to lose a half a pound a month. Ask anyone who has ever been on a diet if they could maintain a strict diet for over a decade with a goal weight still no where in sight.

Yet, I routinely have complete strangers come up to me and tell me I should lose weight. I actually had a clerk at a store a week ago come up behind me and poke me in the bum. My top half is half the size of my bottom half because my lymphatic system was also damaged in my lower back when I was hurt, and she thought the extra on the bottom was shop lifting booty. If my husband hadn't seen her do it, I'm not sure he would have believed it possible. I think we are all quick to judge others without knowing what crosses they may carry. I know I am, have been in the past, and probably will be again in the future, but I try so hard not to be.

[Winchester]

My thought is lose weight or drive.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1840446' date='Apr 19 2009, 10:09 AM']My thought is lose weight or drive.[/quote]

Planning to do both.

[Hilde]

I couldn't go to mass today because the trains aren't going. I have to sit at home like a heathen.

But trains are great when they go!

And I think it's fair that they charge obese people more. Do they get double meals then too?

[Winchester]

If you buy two tickets, you buy two tickets and are entitled to the service of two passengers. Thus more cargo and carry on and meals and drinks. And hot towels. If you merely pay for the seat (at some prorated price), then you get no extras.

[CatherineM]

I knew a guy who used to buy a second ticket for his guitar. He'd strap it in the seat belt and everything. They once tried to get him to check it, so an extra person could get on, and he slid the extra ticket under the seat belt like a cop putting a parking ticket under your windshield wiper. He never wanted the extra meal though. Can't imagine anyone wanting that. He paid more for his guitar than most people do for their cars.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1840533' date='Apr 19 2009, 02:13 PM']I knew a guy who used to buy a second ticket for his guitar. He'd strap it in the seat belt and everything. They once tried to get him to check it, so an extra person could get on, and he slid the extra ticket under the seat belt like a cop putting a parking ticket under your windshield wiper. He never wanted the extra meal though. Can't imagine anyone wanting that. He paid more for his guitar than most people do for their cars.[/quote]
I can understand that. In fact I can see myself doing it, if I were to travel a lot with a good guitar.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1840926' date='Apr 19 2009, 08:58 PM']I can understand that. In fact I can see myself doing it, if I were to travel a lot with a good guitar.[/quote]

I used to have a '65 Dove that I barely let leave it's case, let alone brave a cold depressurized cargo hold.

[Jesus_lol]

i wish i had done that. when i went travelling, after the flight back from guatemala, i opened my locked hardcase(which was undamaged, no scratches even) to find my 1300$ Cort Parkwood acoustic guitar nearly completely destroyed.
had a total of five cracks/breaks, all in the lower right side of the guitar(the bout? i dunno) four cracks running along the grain, with some splintering, all at least 4 inches long, one that extended 16 inches, past the sound hole. and the area between them was bulged up about an inch with a super nasty crossgrain break a couple inches long.

i just about cried. never got any money from the airline(i was part of a group and thus didnt buy my own ticket, or i would have insured it)

[jeffpugh]

That smells of elderberries... I guess next time you gotta consider inner padding. The axe needs to fit more snug.

[Nihil Obstat]

I've seen baggage handlers. They don't even look at what it is, they just throw it. So yea, if I ever have to travel with a guitar... it's gonna cost me.
Hollowbody archtops are sort of fragile too. Almost as much as acoustics.

[VoTeckam]

I'm fat so if I am not traveling with someone I know and understands they are going to be crowded I either buy a seat that is by itself (if the plane only has 1 seat then the aisle then 2 more seats) or I pay for first class. It isn't your fault Im fat so I try to avoid feeling judged and uncomfortable myself.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1841274' date='Apr 20 2009, 07:21 AM']That smells of elderberries... I guess next time you gotta consider inner padding. The axe needs to fit more snug. [/quote]

it was super snug! even had a few tshirts in there filling in all the gaps. my guess is it got kinda brittle from the heat and humidity change to alberta winter then was dropped really hard. the case bent in, destroyed the guitar then bent back out, like a popping jam lid.

definitely not just heat it was definitely an impact.