Scholasticism

[Resurrexi]

I love Scholastic theology. It is so beautiful. It fills my soul with prayerful contemplation to read St. Thomas' [i]Summa[/i].

[Aloysius]

and yet the ominous words of the Angelic Doctor after viewing that which he had described for so long loom over his entire body of work... "All my works seem like straw after what I have seen"

if St. Thomas's words fill you with awe, imagine what it was that he saw which made him he worked them all out think of them as nothing but straw!

[Theoketos]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1854121' date='May 1 2009, 03:14 AM']I love Scholastic theology. It is so beautiful. It fills my soul with prayerful contemplation to read St. Thomas' [i]Summa[/i].[/quote]


It is much better in Latin. If you can read the Summa in Latin, hearing it in English is like hearing Mozart on a Kazoo.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Theoketos' post='1854154' date='May 1 2009, 07:28 AM']It is much better in Latin. If you can read the Summa in Latin, hearing it in English is like hearing Mozart on a Kazoo.[/quote]

i've been leawrning more and more latin myself. Hope to be able to genuinely start reading in latin next year.

Teaching the kids too. They know their Ave Maria' and 'Pater Noster' in latin now. Good kids... good kids...

[kafka]

Scholasticism produced a lot of great work. Aquinas is his own school.

I'm not a fan of neo-scholasticism though.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1854121' date='May 1 2009, 01:14 AM']I love Scholastic theology. It is so beautiful. It fills my soul with prayerful contemplation to read St. Thomas' [i]Summa[/i].[/quote]
Have you read what Adrienne von Speyr says about Aquinas?

[Paddington]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1854309' date='May 1 2009, 02:17 PM']Have you read what Adrienne von Speyr says about Aquinas?[/quote]

What did she say?

[Ziggamafu]

[quote name='Theoketos' post='1854154' date='May 1 2009, 07:28 AM']It is much better in Latin. If you can read the Summa in Latin, hearing it in English is like hearing Mozart on a Kazoo.[/quote]

Latin sounds pretty...but is it really more articulate and precise in its vocabulary than English? It seems that a very talented translator could bring more out of the Summa in English than in the original Latin, but I'm no expert of linguistics.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1854309' date='May 1 2009, 01:17 PM']Have you read what Adrienne von Speyr says about Aquinas?[/quote]

Why would I really care what she has to say?

[kafka]

I'm not a fan of Balthazar and his followers either, though I have read a few insightful things by him in books not written by him.

[Hassan]

[quote name='kafka' post='1854612' date='May 1 2009, 05:17 PM']I'm not a fan of Balthazar and his followers either, though I have read a few insightful things by him in books not written by him.[/quote]

I only ever read one book by Balthazar, I wasn't impressed at all.

[kafka]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1854655' date='May 1 2009, 07:58 PM']I only ever read one book by Balthazar, I wasn't impressed at all.[/quote]
I started to read one of his works, and got tired of it. Too undisciplined for my taste. Reminded me of Chesterton I also got tired of his 'Orthodoxy' after a few chapters. For me they are good for short occasional insights, but their works as a whole just dont do it for me.

and so God created Karl Rahner

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1854600' date='May 1 2009, 03:56 PM']Why would I really care what she has to say?[/quote]
Now that is a good answer.

[abercius24]

[quote name='Theoketos' post='1854154' date='May 1 2009, 07:28 AM']It is much better in Latin. If you can read the Summa in Latin, hearing it in English is like hearing Mozart on a Kazoo.[/quote]
[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1854680' date='May 1 2009, 08:40 PM']Now that is a good answer.[/quote]

[Innocent]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1854309' date='May 1 2009, 11:47 PM']Have you read what Adrienne von Speyr says about Aquinas?[/quote]

Please do tell us what she says, if you have the time. I would like to know.

Edited May 2, 2009 by Innocent

[Slappo]

[quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1854582' date='May 1 2009, 01:34 PM']It seems that a very talented translator could bring more out of the Summa in English than in the original Latin, but I'm no expert of linguistics.[/quote]



Many clauses in Latin have no English translation that can actually match their meaning. Also the ability to place emphasis in Latin is far superior to the abilities of the English language.

Latin has a pretty extensive vocabulary too with something like 23 different ways to say kill

EDIT: Most of the reason that Latin can place better emphasis then English is because English uses a strict word order whereas in Latin you can adjust the word order to fit the emphasis desired.


I don't really know of anything that is better to be read translated then in it's original language.

Edited May 2, 2009 by Slappo

[kafka]

[quote name='Slappo' post='1855435' date='May 2 2009, 11:44 AM']I don't really know of anything that is better to be read translated then in it's original language.[/quote]
an argument could be made that in theory a translation of the Bible could in some sense be 'better' than an original (or previous translation), because of the charism of inspiration as well as the Providential evolution translations undergo through time, yet that is not for this thread.

[Resurrexi]

Reading the Bible in the original languages is much better than reading it in translation since one can best understand the meaning which the human author intended that way.

[kafka]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1855666' date='May 2 2009, 04:13 PM']

Reading the Bible in the original languages is much better than reading it in translation since one can best understand the meaning which the human author intended that way.[/quote]
so why is then that God has permitted all the original manuscripts to be lost?

Perhaps one reason is that so they not become objects of worship.

Another reason is perhaps the literal or plain level of meaning is best expressed in the original manuscripts however in my opinion the depth of the spiritual level of meaning of God's inspired and infallible Word cannot be fully expressed or contained within any one edition or any one language of the Bible. What is asserted and expressed in the God's Word transcends all editions and all languages. So one edition may express a truth better than another. And all translations and all editions of the Bibles of all times perhaps could only fully express God's Word.

Please note that some of the above is speculative/theological opinion.

Edited May 2, 2009 by kafka

[Noel's angel]

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Edited May 2, 2009 by Noel's angel