Guest Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1860252' date='May 6 2009, 10:14 PM']Broken link. Weird. I'll find the actual thread. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=81678&hl="]Linky.[/url] Does this work? Delivery Boy, it isn't about whether or not we should discuss the topic. It's just that we're hijacking a thread that really isn't about this. It's not fair to Ad. Discussions can be moved.[/quote] ok but knight of christ started this. i only responded to him and his calling my opinon "sorry". when in indeed it is not sorry and is a very valid arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 If you both agreed, the discussion could take place in a more relevant thread. It's not particularly difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1860260' date='May 6 2009, 10:18 PM']If you both agreed, the discussion could take place in a more relevant thread. It's not particularly difficult. [/quote] theres no discussion. it's hard to discuss with someone who may well be close to idolizing the papacy even on a teaching that isnt infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1860236' date='May 6 2009, 10:03 PM']if married priest were allowed there would be so many more priest and we wouldnt have to take whoever.[/quote] not true. if that many married men wanted to be ordained, there would be an excess of deacons. if you're actually concerned with the state of the priesthood, you should read the book [url="http://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Good-Men-Seminaries-Generations/dp/0967637112"][u]Goodbye! Good Men[/u] by Michael S. Rose[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='tgoldson' post='1860265' date='May 6 2009, 11:21 PM']not true. if that many married men wanted to be ordained, there would be an excess of deacons. if you're actually concerned with the state of the priesthood, you should read the book [url="http://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Good-Men-Seminaries-Generations/dp/0967637112"][u]Goodbye! Good Men[/u] by Michael S. Rose[/url][/quote] haha ok this is the last one since people are getting mad that I keep responding. I dont see your logic that if married priest were allowed there wouldnt be more ? I really dont. But I'll try to check out that book. Godbless ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1860252' date='May 6 2009, 11:14 PM']Broken link. Weird. I'll find the actual thread. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=81678&hl="]Linky.[/url] Does this work?[/quote] Yes, it works now. I bumped it in the Vocation Station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1860223' date='May 6 2009, 10:53 PM']well I dont fall into idol worship with the pope either. goodnight.[/quote] I do not worship the Pope. Mother Church is the whole Church, not just the Pope. Mother Church is the Bride and the Body of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1860228' date='May 6 2009, 10:57 PM']and it's not a doctrine it could change.[/quote] Even so it is now binding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1860345' date='May 6 2009, 11:08 PM']Even so it is now binding.[/quote] yep and fullfills pauls prophecy. another reason to join the eastern church. cant wait. Edited May 7, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1860345' date='May 6 2009, 11:08 PM']Even so it is now binding.[/quote] except in cases where married priests convert to Roman Catholicism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1860341' date='May 6 2009, 11:05 PM']I do not worship the Pope. Mother Church is the whole Church, not just the Pope. Mother Church is the Bride and the Body of Christ.[/quote] ok well my appologies. but when you discredit my arguement and are rude on top of it, and state your defenece as " im right your wrong deal with it" i dont take it very well. espially when the eastern church doesnt forbid its priest marriage and nowhere in the bible can forbiding priest or bishops to marry be found. the way you shut down my argument by saying " mother church says so" is not taken very well by me. espially when its not a doctrine and can be argued with scripture. at any rate i'm sorry if i crossed the line. peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1860236' date='May 6 2009, 11:03 PM']because there is such a lack of priest and the celibacy evidently attracted alota gay perverted men. if married priest were allowed there would be so many more priest and we wouldnt have to take whoever. it's sick what these priest have done.[/quote] Sorry to hijack again but I just had to bring up this article regarding what you're talking about. [url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0211fea2.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0211fea2.asp[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1860370' date='May 7 2009, 12:22 AM']ok well my appologies. but when you discredit my arguement and are rude on top of it, and state your defenece as " im right your wrong deal with it" i dont take it very well. espially when the eastern church doesnt forbid its priest marriage and nowhere in the bible can forbiding priest or bishops to marry be found. the way you shut down my argument by saying " mother church says so" is not taken very well by me. espially when its not a doctrine and can be argued with scripture. at any rate i'm sorry if i crossed the line. peace.[/quote] I'm sorry if I made the argument that "I'm right" I made the argument The Church is right, and She is right, I am sorry but that is truth. Her current position is still binding to western Catholics, and is backed up by Holy Scripture. You seem to disagree, now logically who would be right? The Bride of Christ, or you? Honestly, I do not mean to be rude, yes I am blunt but if I did not care about you and about our Mother Church I would have said nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1860396' date='May 7 2009, 12:36 AM']I'm sorry if I made the argument that "I'm right" I made the argument The Church is right, and She is right, I am sorry but that is truth. Her current position is still binding to western Catholics, and is backed up by Holy Scripture. You seem to disagree, now logically who would be right? The Bride of Christ, or you? Honestly, I do not mean to be rude, yes I am blunt but if I did not care about you and about our Mother Church I would have said nothing.[/quote] Godbless dude I see what you are saying and this isnt the first time we went at it. lol You are very knowlegable in what you say and I give you credidt for that. I do however think I am not the only one that holds the opionon that mother church could be in slight error in this area. Again it is not a doctrine. It could change an hour from now. All I am doing is stating my opinon and using scripture to back my opinon. I'm not saying the church is the whore or anything like that. Although just reading in the defence directory the other day I read how the author of the last times article believes that the false prophet could very likely come through the church and the chair of peter. Although if this were to happen it would be an antipope and not a real pope so it doesnt scare me away from being catholic. But my point is although I submit to the pope and the teachings of the mother church and agree with all the infallible teachings, I do still hold my conscience as very valuable and will not discredit all my opinons just becasue "mother church says so" Espially when my opinons can be backed clearly by scripture. And even more so when the teaching isnt infallible and could be changed an hour from now. Let it be known though I do submit to the pope and do submit to the infallible teachings of the papacy. Godbless. Edited May 7, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1860202' date='May 6 2009, 09:40 PM']It is sorry.[/quote] koc I took this out of contex and that is what sent me into a rage. I see how you meant it now. I thought you were saying my argument was "sorry". Which if you would of said it that way I feel my anger would of been justified. It is clear to me now though rereading it that you didnt meant it that way. my bad. I have to be carefull to remember on the internet you can't tell how peopole are saying things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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