Adrestia Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I remember being really bummed when I realized that we don't actually get wings if we make it to heaven. Angels are angels, people are people. I'm a person. No wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 btw, original topic, I had plenty of things I questioned. the crux of the way I approached things was to demand humility from myself... to shout to myself anytime I thought something "that's just your opinion, don't solidify it, don't get stubborn about it, don't absolutize it, it's just your opinion"... keep your own opinions humbly weak, and be open to the Church's teachings as if they were not mere opinions but the teachings which the Holy Spirit has guided for the Church. one becomes Catholic not when one begins believing in every detail of the Church's teaching, but when one begins believing in the one and only detail of the Church's teaching that really matters: the teaching that the Church's teachings are protected by the Holy Ghost. That singular belief inspires the trusting humility with which you must approach every other teaching... and you'll come against ones that are difficult and you may not accept them at first, and you may not fully accept them ever. But one views the Church as the Body of Christ on Earth... one does not trust ones own self, but the Church; one does not rely on oneself, but on God Almighty. This teaches you the type of absolute dependence you have on God for salvation. when one bases their beliefs on religious matters on the understandings of things that they have thought out, one begins the Pelagian project of trying to save oneself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1859624' date='May 6 2009, 07:05 PM']btw, original topic, I had plenty of things I questioned. the crux of the way I approached things was to demand humility from myself... to shout to myself anytime I thought something "that's just your opinion, don't solidify it, don't get stubborn about it, don't absolutize it, it's just your opinion"... keep your own opinions humbly weak, and be open to the Church's teachings as if they were not mere opinions but the teachings which the Holy Spirit has guided for the Church. one becomes Catholic not when one begins believing in every detail of the Church's teaching, but when one begins believing in the one and only detail of the Church's teaching that really matters: the teaching that the Church's teachings are protected by the Holy Ghost. That singular belief inspires the trusting humility with which you must approach every other teaching... and you'll come against ones that are difficult and you may not accept them at first, and you may not fully accept them ever. But one views the Church as the Body of Christ on Earth... one does not trust ones own self, but the Church; one does not rely on oneself, but on God Almighty. This teaches you the type of absolute dependence you have on God for salvation. when one bases their beliefs on religious matters on the understandings of things that they have thought out, one begins the Pelagian project of trying to save oneself.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoTeckam Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1859624' date='May 6 2009, 02:05 PM']btw, original topic, I had plenty of things I questioned. the crux of the way I approached things was to demand humility from myself... to shout to myself anytime I thought something "that's just your opinion, don't solidify it, don't get stubborn about it, don't absolutize it, it's just your opinion"... keep your own opinions humbly weak, and be open to the Church's teachings as if they were not mere opinions but the teachings which the Holy Spirit has guided for the Church. one becomes Catholic not when one begins believing in every detail of the Church's teaching, but when one begins believing in the one and only detail of the Church's teaching that really matters: the teaching that the Church's teachings are protected by the Holy Ghost. That singular belief inspires the trusting humility with which you must approach every other teaching... and you'll come against ones that are difficult and you may not accept them at first, and you may not fully accept them ever. But one views the Church as the Body of Christ on Earth... one does not trust ones own self, but the Church; one does not rely on oneself, but on God Almighty. This teaches you the type of absolute dependence you have on God for salvation. when one bases their beliefs on religious matters on the understandings of things that they have thought out, one begins the Pelagian project of trying to save oneself.[/quote] Excellent post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1858436' date='May 5 2009, 10:11 AM']Doesn't mean you wouldn't want to marry a priest.[/quote] A woman cannot marry a priest, but she can marry a man who later gets ordained to the priesthood (i.e., in the Eastern Catholic Churches). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 +J.M.J.+ abortion contraception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) I had trouble in the past accepting the teachings of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council. Edited May 7, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1860105' date='May 6 2009, 08:26 PM']I had trouble in the past accepting the teachings of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council.[/quote] That will make it very difficult for you to enter the priesthood. One of my husband's best friends has a brother with many of the same views on theology that you do. He has tried to enter seminary or an order about a dozen times, and has been turned down each time. They have told him he is too rigid and judgmental, and being a priest requires a lot of charity and compassion for those of us who just keep failing to live up to the ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) Traditional minded men who feel a call to the priesthood should consider joining the [url="http://www.fssp.org/en/index.htm"]FSSP[/url], [url="http://www.institute-christ-king.org/home/"]The Institute of Christ the King[/url], or other traditional orders in union with the Holy Pontiff. Because there are good, legitimate concerns over much of the ambiguity within the documents of the Second Vatican Council. Edited May 7, 2009 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) I would say forcing priest and bishops to be cellibate espially since paul warns about it in timothy 4:1. Although it's not a doctrine and hopefully it change in the near future. Edited May 7, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1860156' date='May 6 2009, 10:09 PM']I would say forcing priest and bishops to be cellibate espially since paul warns about it in timothy 4:1. Although it's not a doctrine and hopefully it change in the near future.[/quote] 1. Priest are not 'forced' to be celibate. 2. Paul and Christ support celibacy. Christ in Matthew 19:11-12: "Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; [b]some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.[/b]" Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:27-34 "Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage... Those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that... The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided" -------------- Also, I honestly can not think of actual Church teachings I have trouble accepting. I do however have much difficultly in following what I know to be the truth and moral. Such as is the case with many lust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1860162' date='May 6 2009, 09:18 PM']1. Priest are not 'forced' to be celibate. 2. Paul and Christ support celibacy. Christ in Matthew 19:11-12: "Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; [b]some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.[/b]" Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:27-34 "Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage... Those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that... The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided" --------------[/quote] Peace bro. Priest are forced to be celibate if they want to be a priest. It is my opinon they should have the option to marry if they choose as should a bishop. I respect your opinon though to. I also remember Paul saying that he had a right to a wife if he wanted to have one. And also that a bishop should be married only once. Now I dont twist that to say that they should have to be married like some anticatholic protestants do. But I do take it to say that they should have the right if they choose to. Godbless. Edited May 7, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1859624' date='May 6 2009, 12:05 PM']one becomes Catholic not when one begins believing in every detail of the Church's teaching, but when one begins believing in the one and only detail of the Church's teaching that really matters: the teaching that the Church's teachings are protected by the Holy Ghost. That singular belief inspires the trusting humility with which you must approach every other teaching... and you'll come against ones that are difficult and you may not accept them at first, and you may not fully accept them ever. But one views the Church as the Body of Christ on Earth... one does not trust ones own self, but the Church; one does not rely on oneself, but on God Almighty. This teaches you the type of absolute dependence you have on God for salvation.[/quote] word. very eloquent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1860149' date='May 6 2009, 09:03 PM']Traditional minded men who feel a call to the priesthood should consider joining the [url="http://www.fssp.org/en/index.htm"]FSSP[/url], [url="http://www.institute-christ-king.org/home/"]The Institute of Christ the King[/url], or other traditional orders in union with the Holy Pontiff. Because there are good, legitimate concerns over much of the ambiguity within the documents of the Second Vatican Council.[/quote] Even traditional minded men have to be able to shepherd flocks in a charitable manner. The gentleman I was referring to believed that women who had abortions should never be allowed back in the church, no matter how sorry for their sins they were. He didn't believe that reconciliation should be open to them. He said he would never give absolution to someone who committed adultery or even to teenage boys who had masturbated. I don't think even the FSSP would agree with that theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1860175' date='May 6 2009, 10:24 PM']Even traditional minded men have to be able to shepherd flocks in a charitable manner. The gentleman I was referring to believed that women who had abortions should never be allowed back in the church, no matter how sorry for their sins they were. He didn't believe that reconciliation should be open to them. He said he would never give absolution to someone who committed adultery or even to teenage boys who had masturbated. I don't think even the FSSP would agree with that theology.[/quote] To bad for him, but I was actually speaking to Resurrexi. Also I have no idea if Resurrexi has said the same things as the gentlemen you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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