Why Do Priests Seem Disappointed When...

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1863015' date='May 9 2009, 06:16 PM']Sure, just like it's possible there is no God [/quote]


[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Forbiscatholicus.blogspot.com%2F&feature=player_embedded"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU...player_embedded[/url]

[AdAltareDei]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1863017' date='May 9 2009, 06:18 PM']If war can't be justified, then what is the point of the Catholic just war doctrine?[/quote]
It was formulated in a time very different to our own.
You know, Resurrexi, you don't have to agree with every single decision or position of the Church on every single matter (not talking about authoritive teachings here).

It is good to have your own mind and make decisions based on your own reasoning.
You're only 15, you'll learn.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1863017' date='May 9 2009, 05:18 PM']If war can't be justified, then what is the point of the Catholic just war doctrine?[/quote]


The Pope's point was that given the modern reality of warfare, the criteria for a just war may no longer be fufillable

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='AdAltareDei' post='1863086' date='May 9 2009, 08:01 PM']It was formulated in a time very different to our own.
You know, Resurrexi, you don't have to agree with every single decision or position of the Church on every single matter (not talking about authoritive teachings here).

It is good to have your own mind and make decisions based on your own reasoning.
You're only 15, you'll learn.[/quote]

this from the guy who does disagree with the church on authoritative matters (i.e. homosexual civil unions, contraception, etc.)

[AdAltareDei]

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1863088' date='May 9 2009, 08:05 PM']this from the guy who does disagree with the church on authoritative matters (i.e. homosexual civil unions, contraception, etc.)[/quote]

Ad hominem attacks are so in right now.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='AdAltareDei' post='1863086' date='May 9 2009, 07:01 PM']It was formulated in a time very different to our own.
You know, Resurrexi, you don't have to agree with every single decision or position of the Church on every single matter (not talking about authoritive teachings here).

It is good to have your own mind and make decisions based on your own reasoning.
You're only 15, you'll learn.[/quote]

Name some of these matters, would you?

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='AdAltareDei' post='1863098' date='May 9 2009, 08:14 PM']Ad hominem attacks are so in right now.[/quote]

what you said to him is rather ironic.

just an observation.

[Hassan]

[quote name='AdAltareDei' post='1863098' date='May 9 2009, 08:14 PM']Ad hominem attacks are so in right now.[/quote]


Don't let a divorced old maid get to you

[TotusTuusMaria]

im seeking an annulment.

[Hassan]

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1863107' date='May 9 2009, 07:25 PM']im seeking an annulment.[/quote]


oh, so we're still married now?

Funny how that changed

[TotusTuusMaria]

i never denied the legal divorce. hence, how i got custody of the children.

those critical thinking skills of yours again

Please don't make this about us and your insanity, Clyde... we might get in trouble. I already have one warning.

[AdAltareDei]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1863100' date='May 9 2009, 07:17 PM']Name some of these matters, would you?[/quote]

-Political issues (such as war etc.)
-Clerical celibacy
-The death penalty
-Ecumenism

etcetera.

[eagle_eye222001]

The Gulf War....1992 I think was a justified war.

I did a report on it in high school and I remember all the steps being fulfilled for it.

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[Paladin D]

To the user(s) that are derailing this thread: Please don't. Thank you.

[Maximilianus]

The military was good enough for this man

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Vincent_R_Capodanno.jpg/150px-Vincent_R_Capodanno.jpg[/img]

Servant of God Father Vincent Robert Capodanno, Navy Chaplain.
Awarded the Medal of Honor for while under fire, going "among the wounded and dying, giving last rites and taking care of his Marines. Wounded once in the face and having his hand almost severed, he went to help a wounded corpsman(Navy medic, for you land lubbers) only yards from an enemy machinegun and was killed."

edited for brevity.

Edited May 10, 2009 by Maximilianus

[AdAltareDei]

I don't like it when clergy dress like laymen.

[Paladin D]

[url="http://www.beachesleader.com/articles/2006/02/23/news/news4.txt"]Army chaplain goes extra mile in Iraq[/url]

[quote]Father John Quinn of Ponte Vedra Beach has only been stationed in Iraq for the past two months but he has already drawn praise from one of his commanding officers.

In an e-mail to friends and family of “the Gambler Guns,” an aviation regiment with the 4th Infantry Division, Lt. Col. John E. Novalis II said Quinn's recent gesture to serve mass on a UH-60 helicopter “touched him profoundly.”

“Chaplain Quinn was flying to serve mass to one of the outlying forward observation bases when a soldier climbed aboard [that] had not seen a priest for months and asked the good father for a blessing,” the e-mail said.

“[Quinn] did one better [by serving communion en route to the base]. This type of compassion for our soldiers is a daily occurrence.”

In a recent e-mail to his parents, Jack and Kay Quinn of Ponte Vedra Beach, Father Quinn said, “I've done communion services in tents, hospitals, aid stations and Humvees. I come prepared. I pulled out my Ciborium of consecrated hosts, and prayed over the roar of the Blackhawk engine.”

Quinn, a 52-year-old Jesuit priest who graduated from Army Chaplain School in April 2005, is assigned to the 4th ID's 4th Battalion, 4th Aviation Regiment.

Quinn's father, a retired brigadier general, commanded a 4th ID unit in Vietnam.

Father Quinn's division, based in Fort Hood, Texas, arrived in Iraq in late December, replacing the Army's 3rd Infantry Division. The 4th ID will serve from 12 to 14 months overseas.

A former enlisted Marine, Father Quinn was sworn in as an Army chaplain in December 2004, at a ceremony at Fleet Landing. He is on a three-year tour of duty with the Army's chaplain corps.[/quote]


[img]http://images.townnews.com/beachesleader.com/content/articles/2006/02/23/news/news4.jpg[/img]

Edited May 10, 2009 by Paladin D

[Maximilianus]

I was like, sweet..until I saw this.

[quote]A [b]former enlisted Marine[/b], Father Quinn was sworn in as an [b]Army[/b] chaplain in December 2004, at a ceremony at Fleet Landing. He is on a three-year tour of duty with the Army's chaplain corps.[/quote]

WHAT!!!

Semper Fi Father Quinn.

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='Paladin D' post='1863394' date='May 10 2009, 02:49 AM']To the user(s) that are derailing this thread: Please don't. Thank you.[/quote]

sorry little paladin

*hugs*

[MithLuin]

You will have to ask them if you want to know why they 'seem disappointed'. They could have issues with military careers in general, current politics, or think that it is somehow the 'wrong' decision for you personally. Or they could just be letting their concern for your safety show more blatantly than some of your other friends. Basically, we don't know them, so we can't know their reasons. Priests are people, so you can't just generalize about them.

Certainly, when you join the Army, you will face lots of challenges. But that is true of any area of life. It is never easy or automatic to stay close to God.



As for just war doctrine...the arguments here have been very silly . Just war doctrine was developed to determine when the use of armed force by a country was appropriate [u]and when it was not[/u]. In other words, tossing it out would be to [i]get rid of[/i] the moral ground on which to stand to condemn a war! If the guidelines are not met, the war is not just, and people can say so. 'Outgrowing' the just war doctrine would mean that we could call anything just (or at least try to justify it). Rather, we are at a point where it is extremely difficult to meet all of the criteria, so that few wars would be seen as just by the Catholic Church (as [b]Hassan[/b] pointed out).

[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Just_War_Doctrine_1.asp"]An explanation[/url]

Since one of the requirements of a war being justified are that all other methods of resolving the difference have been tried (and failed), just war doctrine supports the idea that there are other (better) ways to resolve conflicts. Just as it is okay (legally) to harm another person in self-defence, it is okay for a country to use its military to defend its people from harm, if necessary. Maintaining a military is meant to serve as a deterrent, so no one will [i]start[/i] a war in the first place. Switzerland is a land of confirmed pacifism, but they most certainly do have an army - military service is ubiquitous there.

Choosing to serve in the military does not mean that you are assuming the responsibility for the leaders of your country. If you join the Army and are shipped out to Afghanistan, the responsibility for that lies with President Obama and other leaders.