ariaane Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 [quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1864388' date='May 12 2009, 12:08 AM']I think it was more than a few centuries back. There were a couple popes who who ......less than decent. However that is another thread. Not sure your point in bringing this up. This is hardly a big problem though in perspective. Think of how many priests who do remain faithful to their vows. You hear all this media on a few bad cases and what is ignored is the priests, sisters, and brothers who do remain faithful to their vows.[/quote] I just thought I’d mention it because we in the Church, have been inundated with reports of sexual relations occurring between priests and boys, that we’ve kind of overlooked the reality that there are probably as much, if not more priests having relations with women- in particular when they look like Fr Cutie. As for the Pope who had children, I was just reminding people that if a Pope of all people, can fall, then so can a priest.
franciscanheart Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1864320' date='May 11 2009, 03:48 PM']omg he is so dreamy !!!![/quote]
tinytherese Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1864410' date='May 11 2009, 06:23 PM']I dont think a priest should be thrown under the bus if they fall and have some sort of relationship with a woman. Ya it's wrong and breaking their vow but they should get to go to confession like everybody else and it should be over with. In my opinon. [/quote] True, they can be redeemed but when it is a big public story like this it makes it difficult to go through since so many people will remember what you have done for a long time and the effects of scandal have been done. Redemption can still happen but its not something just gets over with easily. It reminds me of The Scarlet Letter actually. He definitely needs praying for. I can't imagine how hard this must be on him andc his loved ones.
tinytherese Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1864415' date='May 11 2009, 06:26 PM']I'm not sure it is appropriate to discuss how sexually attractive a member of our ordained clergy is. I certainly wouldn't publicly discuss my feelings of lust for a priest.[/quote] I was thinking the same thing. I don't like it when a priest is referred to as "hot." There's a young priest at the parish that I attend while away at my current college that some have commented on his good looks but those comments died down a long time ago.
Guest Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 You can find someone goodlooking without lusting after them can't you ?
tinytherese Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1864440' date='May 11 2009, 06:43 PM']You can find someone goodlooking without lusting after them can't you ?[/quote] True, but usually when the word "hot" is used that does not have to do with their temperature it means that they are sensuously appealing. I just don't like the terms "hot," "hottie," or saying that you feel hot for someone or that you have the hots for someone. They sound lustful. Why not just say handsome, gorgeous, pretty, or beautiful? Those sound like much more respectful adjectives.
Guest Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 [quote name='tinytherese' post='1864446' date='May 11 2009, 06:50 PM']True, but usually when the word "hot" is used that does not have to do with their temperature it means that they are sensuously appealing. I just don't like the terms "hot," "hottie," or saying that you feel hot for someone or that you have the hots for someone. They sound lustful. Why not just say handsome, gorgeous, pretty, or beautiful? Those sound like much more respectful adjectives.[/quote] See what you're sayen.
Guest Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 [quote name='tinytherese' post='1864437' date='May 11 2009, 06:39 PM']True, they can be redeemed but when it is a big public story like this it makes it difficult to go through since so many people will remember what you have done for a long time and the effects of scandal have been done. Redemption can still happen but its not something just gets over with easily. It reminds me of The Scarlet Letter actually. He definitely needs praying for. I can't imagine how hard this must be on him andc his loved ones.[/quote] See what you're sayen again.
dominicansoul Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 What is also sad is how much unfaithfulness, cheating, stealing, crime and violence take up so much of our attention in the media...especially when a good guy goes down... there seems to be zero interests in stories about the countless priests who are faithful to their vows and to God...
mariahLVzJP2 Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1864415' date='May 11 2009, 05:26 PM']I'm not sure it is appropriate to discuss how sexually attractive a member of our ordained clergy is. I certainly wouldn't publicly discuss my feelings of lust for a priest.[/quote] I totally agree with you CatherineM. It just seems inappropriate and sort of irreverant to call a priest "hot."
HisChildForever Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1864415' date='May 11 2009, 06:26 PM']I'm not sure it is appropriate to discuss how sexually attractive a member of our ordained clergy is. I certainly wouldn't publicly discuss my feelings of lust for a priest.[/quote] Anyone "checking out" a priest gets a question mark in my book.
ariaane Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='tinytherese' post='1864446' date='May 12 2009, 12:50 AM']I just don't like the terms "hot," "hottie," or saying that you feel hot for someone or that you have the hots for someone.[/quote] [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1864890' date='May 12 2009, 08:14 AM']Anyone "checking out" a priest gets a question mark in my book.[/quote] Okay guys- point taken! Fr Cutie is [b]not[/b] hot. He is very... "aesthetically pleasing"....
cmotherofpirl Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 Handsome is as handsome does. Lets kindly STOP referring to anyone as "hotties" as Lust is STILL a mortal sin. His soul is far more important than his shape, and his soul can certainly use our prayers.
bonkers Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1864290' date='May 11 2009, 03:08 PM']Ok, this thing with the child molesters... you must remember many times that good bishops for the longest time were told by reputable certified shrinks that these people simply "needed a new start, were cured, it wouldn't happen again, it was due to stress- releive the stress on they would be ok" etc. and to move them to a new parish. Some of it was intentionally criminal - but much of it was not.[/quote] Oh my. Are you saying that ordained bishop, men supposedly chosen by god, successors of the 12 apostles, moral and spiritual leaders and experts and advises on the formation of the conscience couldn't differentiate between right and wrong because of what some shrink said? It doesn't say much for the credibility of the church when you try to defend the behaviour of these pervert harbouring satanists by deferring blame to those outside of it (which is a natural thing to do). I think I almost puked when you referred to them as "good bishops", lol. Sorry for the loaded language.
CatherineM Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='bonkers' post='1865103' date='May 12 2009, 09:24 AM']Oh my. Are you saying that ordained bishop, men supposedly chosen by god, successors of the 12 apostles, moral and spiritual leaders and experts and advises on the formation of the conscience couldn't differentiate between right and wrong because of what some shrink said? It doesn't say much for the credibility of the church when you try to defend the behaviour of these pervert harbouring satanists by deferring blame to those outside of it (which is a natural thing to do). I think I almost puked when you referred to them as "good bishops", lol. Sorry for the loaded language.[/quote] Priests aren't doctors. They therefore take the advice of experts when it comes to something they aren't schooled in. My husband gets called when a priest in this diocese is dealing with someone with schizophrenia or their family because that is his expertise. Since when are satanists pedophiles or visa versa? Do you know something the rest of us don't? Perhaps you're a member here scouting? Don't worry about puking to posts. I puke about yours pretty much every time. I'm just surprised you didn't stay under your rock.
HisChildForever Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='bonkers' post='1865103' date='May 12 2009, 10:24 AM']Oh my. Are you saying that ordained bishop, men supposedly chosen by god, successors of the 12 apostles, moral and spiritual leaders and experts and advises on the formation of the conscience couldn't differentiate between right and wrong because of what some shrink said? It doesn't say much for the credibility of the church when you try to defend the behaviour of these pervert harbouring satanists by deferring blame to those outside of it (which is a natural thing to do). I think I almost puked when you referred to them as "good bishops", lol. Sorry for the loaded language.[/quote] What??? The bishops, clearly at an absolute loss regarding the situation (priests - HOLY men called by God to serve God and community in a most complete way - molesting small children) decided to consult psychologists who are PROFESSIONALS when it comes to the mind. The bishops, in good faith, trusted these mental health care professionals. Perhaps a lot of the bishops, not being able to fathom the crimes these holy men performed, realized that the only way it was possible for these priests to commit such atrocities was if they truly were so stressed out that they were not in the right frame of mind. Was this wrong? Clearly yes. But the bishops who took the professionals in good faith and were unaware of the extent of pedophilia (not aware that it is NOT a "one time thing") simply moved the priest(s) to another parish, trusting that this was the solution. NO ONE HERE is defending what those bishops did but rather EXPLAINING why some of the bishops did it. NOT ALL of the bishops were criminal.
ariaane Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 Fr Cutie [i]could [/i]be in more trouble than we think. I’ve just read on the Miami Herald that the 35 year old mother that Fr Cutie has been seeing is [b]divorced[/b]. There was no mention of the woman having received an [b]annulment[/b], so Fr Cutie could have caused this woman to have committed [b]adultery[/b]... Mind you, The Miami Herald has alleged he has said some things which don't sound like him such as: [i][color="#000080"]''I would like to have a family and at the same time serve God,'' Cutié said. `` I have friends -- Episcopalian bishops, Baptists, friends in the American Bible Society -- and they have shown me that it is possible to do both.'' [/color][/i] When did he come to this decision?... [url="http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/v-fullstory/story/1040795.html"]http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflori...ry/1040795.html[/url]
dominicansoul Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='ariaane' post='1865305' date='May 12 2009, 01:13 PM']Fr Cutie [i]could [/i]be in more trouble than we think. I’ve just read on the Miami Herald that the 35 year old mother that Fr Cutie has been seeing is [b]divorced[/b]. There was no mention of the woman having received an [b]annulment[/b], so Fr Cutie could have caused this woman to have committed [b]adultery[/b]... Mind you, The Miami Herald has alleged he has said some things which don't sound like him such as: [i][color="#000080"]''I would like to have a family and at the same time serve God,'' Cutié said. `` I have friends -- Episcopalian bishops, Baptists, friends in the American Bible Society -- and they have shown me that it is possible to do both.'' [/color][/i] When did he come to this decision?... [url="http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/v-fullstory/story/1040795.html"]http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflori...ry/1040795.html[/url][/quote] This behavior isn't something of his that happened over night. He has confirmed that he has struggled with this ever since he entered the seminary. He admits that this is the first woman he's ever had "sexual contact" with. But he has struggled with the idea of celibacy from the very beginning. I continue to question why any of his superiors would allow him to stay and finish his formation? It's sad when a person does something wrong, but even more of a tragedy when they continue to justify what they are doing. What does an Episcopalian Bishop, baptists, etc have to do with his ordination and his vows?
ariaane Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1865312' date='May 12 2009, 08:17 PM']I continue to question why any of his superiors would allow him to stay and finish his formation?[/quote] Desperation to keep up the numbers of ordained priest?... [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1865312' date='May 12 2009, 08:17 PM']It's sad when a person does something wrong, but even more of a tragedy when they continue to justify what they are doing. What does an Episcopalian Bishop, baptists, etc have to do with his ordination and his vows?[/quote] This is just it. On the CBS show, he made no mention of wanting to have children and serve God at the same time. He pretty much sat on the fence on whether he’d continue as a priest or marry his girlfriend, so I query whether that quote from the Miami Herald is genuine. To be honest, from what he has said on TV, it seems that the only people making excuses for him are his fans in his local parish along with those who want "change" in the Church. These are people who think nothing of the fact that he broke a vow.
dominicansoul Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='ariaane' post='1865325' date='May 12 2009, 01:25 PM']To be honest, from what he has said on TV, it seems that the only people making excuses for him are his fans in his local parish along with those who want "change" in the Church. These are people who think nothing of the fact that he broke a vow.[/quote] That's why he was so adamant on CBS saying that he didn't want to be the anti-celibacy "poster-boy." And he was sad he was becoming that...
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