picchick Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1865250' date='May 12 2009, 01:31 PM']Nope, I agree with you. (See my first post in this thread.) While I now understand why people are protesting Obama's presence at the graduation - frankly I see it more of a protest against the university and not the President himself - I see no grounds for turning the protest into an anti-abortion campaign. Especially since Keyes was notified that he was not permitted to protest on school grounds.[/quote] I believe that the reason why there is a protest is because of his stance on abortion. Although I could be wong, that is what I gathered from previous threads and newspapers. Now, I am fine if people want to go and protest the university or president making it a pro-life initiative. However, I am not fine with the way they did it. I have never been fine with that way of doing things and I don't see that changing. My issue mainly stems from the baby dolls covered in fake blood. I believe also that there was a guy sporting a shirt with fake blood on the front too. Keyes was trespassing. Those who were asked not to protest on school ground should not have gone on school grounds. However, I have no problem with thm protesting outside of school grounds. I mean like RIGHT outside school grounds. Like right on the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1865246' date='May 12 2009, 01:27 PM']uhhhh....what are we? Like five years old here?[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1865258' date='May 12 2009, 01:38 PM']Mr. Obama should not be allowed to speak at any Catholic institution due to his immoral stance on the lawfulness of murder in connection with the unborn (and even the newly born).[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Sometimes radical steps must be taken in order to defend the truth; for as the Apostles said in response to the command of the high priest not to preach about Christ, "We must obey God rather than men." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1865261' date='May 12 2009, 01:40 PM']I believe that the reason why there is a protest is because of his stance on abortion. Although I could be wong, that is what I gathered from previous threads and newspapers. Now, I am fine if people want to go and protest the university or president making it a pro-life initiative. However, I am not fine with the way they did it. I have never been fine with that way of doing things and I don't see that changing. My issue mainly stems from the baby dolls covered in fake blood. I believe also that there was a guy sporting a shirt with fake blood on the front too.[/quote] I find it odd that these protesters focused on only one aspect of the Pro-Life movement: abortion. Judging by the graphic nature of their protest, I assume they only focused on abortion because of the shock value. I mean, Obama is also for embryonic stem cells and euthanasia (if I am not mistaken). Why not make picket signs regarding these issues as well? I definitely agree that the methods of this protest, and others like it, are inappropriate and won't convince ANYONE that abortion is evil. Just like those PETA folks who chain themselves to dog houses along the side of the street to protest kennels. No one takes them seriously. [quote]Keyes was trespassing. Those who were asked not to protest on school ground should not have gone on school grounds. However, I have no problem with thm protesting outside of school grounds. I mean like RIGHT outside school grounds. Like right on the border.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1865269' date='May 12 2009, 12:46 PM']I find it odd that these protesters focused on only one aspect of the Pro-Life movement: abortion. Judging by the graphic nature of their protest, I assume they only focused on abortion because of the shock value. I mean, Obama is also for embryonic stem cells and euthanasia (if I am not mistaken). Why not make picket signs regarding these issues as well? I definitely agree that the methods of this protest, and others like it, are inappropriate and won't convince ANYONE that abortion is evil. Just like those PETA folks who chain themselves to dog houses along the side of the street to protest kennels. No one takes them seriously. [/quote] It's sure to get the old carpetbagger the adoration of the far right. Which I suspect is what he wants. Good for him for putting some action behind his words though I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 The right to private property -- according to the Tradition of the Church -- is a relative good; while the defense of innocent human life is a universal good, because the right to life of every innocent human being is the source of all other human rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1865275' date='May 12 2009, 01:52 PM']The right to private property -- according to the Tradition of the Church -- is a relative good; while the defense of innocent human life is a universal good, because the right to life of every innocent human being is the source of all other human rights.[/quote] Do sny action I can tie in with opposing abortion will trump private property rights in the eyes of the Church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1865279' date='May 12 2009, 01:56 PM']Do sny action I can tie in with opposing abortion will trump private property rights in the eyes of the Church?[/quote] Yeah seriously. What about the man who drove his truck into the Planned Parenthood. Could you imagine if someone was coming out and he killed them? What if that individual was a pregnant woman who had decided NOT to get an abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1865250' date='May 12 2009, 01:31 PM']. [/quote] promoting smoking isn't helpful either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1865286' date='May 12 2009, 01:01 PM']promoting smoking isn't helpful either[/quote] What if she's smoking to end abortion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1865286' date='May 12 2009, 02:01 PM']promoting smoking isn't helpful either[/quote] It's just a chill face, I don't smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariaane Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Just so you all know, Alan Keyes did an interview days ago announcing to all that he [b]planned [/b]to protest at Notre Dame with the [b]intent[/b] of being arrested. The arrest isn't some spontaneous event... Google search this if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law. - Martin Luther King, Jr. It isn't always about changing peoples minds about abortion. If that happens that is good, but yeah it is unlikely. However, in this case, if enough people showed up and the alumni boycotted this place, then there could be a mind change. If people were showing up (like these men/women did) by the thousands and being hauled off to jail and "arousing the conscience" of the school then it could change the minds of those higher-ups in the school that, through their approval, are allowing Obama to come and are giving him an award "of law." What kind of protest is "approved" by the one you are protesting? It is insane. I agree that one should be lawful and peaceful, but... it is noble what they did. There was no hope for them to arouse the conscience of the campus miles from the heart of the campus on some lone sidewalk where no one but a handful of students and faculty could possibly see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1865283' date='May 12 2009, 01:59 PM']Yeah seriously. What about the man who drove his truck into the Planned Parenthood. Could you imagine if someone was coming out and he killed them? What if that individual was a pregnant woman who had decided NOT to get an abortion.[/quote] That can't be compared. He was placing others in harm, like you said. Walking on private property and driving your vehicle through the building (enough to kill someone) just cannot be both compared. He would be harming someone which has the possibility of being equal to the sin of abortion. Edited May 12, 2009 by TotusTuusMaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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