Winchester Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 If you're an Obama supporter, just have the guts to say it and quit trying to pose on some moral high ground. There isn't a moral high ground in supporting an obviously morally deranged human being in being awarded an honorary degree from a Catholic college. I am sick and tired of people wanting to excise Catholicism from the world--Catholicity cannot be divorced from any ascpet of life without doing violence to both. The weakness of not supporting the protest shows in the red herring arguments, ie: why didn't they protest his other positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 [quote name='Seven77' post='1865339' date='May 12 2009, 12:33 PM']I agree...except...It's better to be a fool than a moron.[/quote] The words "fool" and "moron" mean the same thing etymologically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 i agree with alan keyes, when he said that Obama's speaking at ND greatly undermines our Faith. It confuses people into believing that somehow the Church is indifferent to obama's stance on abortion. I am happy our Catholic bros and sis' are doing what they can to protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhatJake Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Being a fool for christ, is the wisdom to know the difference....to stand for what you know is right and what the Moron most likely doesn't understand and fails to act upon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariaane Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1865347' date='May 12 2009, 08:39 PM'][b]If you're an Obama supporter, just have the guts to say it and quit trying to pose on some moral high ground.[/b] There isn't a moral high ground in supporting an obviously morally deranged human being in being awarded an honorary degree from a Catholic college. I am sick and tired of people wanting to excise Catholicism from the world--Catholicity cannot be divorced from any ascpet of life without doing violence to both. The weakness of not supporting the protest shows in the red herring arguments, ie: why didn't they protest his other positions.[/quote] Believe me, [i]moi[/i] aint no Obama supporter, although my hypocritical so called Catholic parents love him. I do think Keyes is an attention seeker, and often his words, and sometimes his actions are quite embarrassing. Protest publicly and disruptingly- yes! But Keye's is just plain embarrassing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 [quote name='ariaane' post='1865872' date='May 13 2009, 04:49 AM']But Keye's is just plain embarrassing...[/quote] Embarrassing didn't make the Cardinal sins list, did it? He embarrasses people because our culture has told us that such actions are embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inunionwithrome Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I believe that he is standing up for what is right. It saddens me that so many Catholics believe now that abortion is not a wrongdoing. Where are these so called "Catholics?" getting this mis-informed literature from? I pray that one day they will all understand how these things affect us and our children. I for one think the baby idea was brilliant. Is not the blood and violence of tv that our children see affecting them? How would a bloody baby affect them any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 [quote name='inunionwithrome' post='1866100' date='May 13 2009, 10:15 AM']I believe that he is standing up for what is right. It saddens me that so many Catholics believe now that abortion is not a wrongdoing. Where are these so called "Catholics?" getting this mis-informed literature from? I pray that one day they will all understand how these things affect us and our children. I for one think the baby idea was brilliant. Is not the blood and violence of tv that our children see affecting them? How would a bloody baby affect them any different?[/quote] it affects people because the mass media, indoctrination in public schools, and the liberal left have induced people to believe these graphic displays of abortion protesters are "over the top..." and shouldn't be tolerated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1866110' date='May 13 2009, 11:20 AM']indoctrination in public schools,[/quote] Funny, I don't ever remember being told that abortion is the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1866163' date='May 13 2009, 11:18 AM']Funny, I don't ever remember being told that abortion is the right thing to do. [/quote] that's the tricky thing, they place it in your brain without you even realizing it... most public schools are good at this... the mass media are pros at this... we have no idea what our minds are exposed to until we take a good hard look at what is being processed... like the other day, 20/20 had a segment where they constantly criticized wealthy elderly people for using medicare. The reporter went back and forth interviewing the elderly, and interviewing smart aleck 20 somethings who seemed a little to bitter and angry to me. These kids were angry that the elderly are "stealing their medicare." This was just the mass media trying to convince me, the viewer, that these elderly people are crooks for being so doggone wealthy and still using medicare. When in fact, these elderly people have every right to use their medicare that they have paid for throughout their lives. IT was a bitter attack against WEALTHY people. Do you see the overtones of communism? ANd then there's PBS, and their documentary on movie stars who are heroes for standing up against the establishment. They glorified Mae West for her over-use of sexual innuendoes and placed her on a pedastal for being persecuted by the Catholic Church during her time. They, again were trying to convince me that Mae West's brand of sexuality should be accepted, and the bad ol' Catholic Church should be ashamed. IN public school they would bring a person from Planned Parenthood EVERY semester to my school to teach us "safe sex." If that's not indoctrination, I dont' know what it is... Edited May 13, 2009 by dominicansoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1866170' date='May 13 2009, 12:40 PM']IN public school they would bring a person from Planned Parenthood EVERY semester to my school to teach us "safe sex." Don't tell me that isn't indoctrination...[/quote] That was YOUR public school. Not EVERY public school does this. Mine certainly didn't. We also have to remember that a public school is not a private school or a Catholic school. Children of various faith backgrounds attend. Because of this, many public schools are very accepting and tolerant. I really dislike using the word "indoctrination" to describe public schools because you make it sound as if public schools have a vendetta against Catholicism and want to mutilate the faith however and whenever they can. Take a step back and think about that, it sounds like some huge conspiracy theory. Just because you had a speaker from Planned Parenthood does not mean your school was trying to thwart the Church and brainwash children. In fact, I will take a stab at what I believe their thoughts were when setting up these lectures. They knew very well that teenagers would be having sex. Whether you would like to believe it or not, they felt that teaching the children - in detail - about safe sex practices would be the best way of protecting them from disease. While they were thinking of the students, they should have approached the situation differently. Instead of "how do we [b]prevent[/b] X, Y, and Z" they should have thought "how do we [b]stop[/b] X, Y, and Z." To balance out the scale (recall this IS a public school) they should have also had a guest speaker talk about abstinence. The problem is that abstinence is often stereotyped to be "a religion thing" which explains why a public school would be hesitant to discuss it [i]to such an extent[/i] as a lecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1866180' date='May 13 2009, 11:52 AM']That was YOUR public school. Not EVERY public school does this. Mine certainly didn't. We also have to remember that a public school is not a private school or a Catholic school. Children of various faith backgrounds attend. Because of this, many public schools are very accepting and tolerant. I really dislike using the word "indoctrination" to describe public schools because you make it sound as if public schools have a vendetta against Catholicism and want to mutilate the faith however and whenever they can. Take a step back and think about that, it sounds like some huge conspiracy theory. Just because you had a speaker from Planned Parenthood does not mean your school was trying to thwart the Church and brainwash children. In fact, I will take a stab at what I believe their thoughts were when setting up these lectures. They knew very well that teenagers would be having sex. Whether you would like to believe it or not, they felt that teaching the children - in detail - about safe sex practices would be the best way of protecting them from disease. While they were thinking of the students, they should have approached the situation differently. Instead of "how do we [b]prevent[/b] X, Y, and Z" they should have thought "how do we [b]stop[/b] X, Y, and Z." To balance out the scale (recall this IS a public school) they should have also had a guest speaker talk about abstinence. The problem is that abstinence is often stereotyped to be "a religion thing" which explains why a public school would be hesitant to discuss it [i]to such an extent[/i] as a lecture.[/quote] perhaps you should attend a NEA conference. Then you will understand where I'm coming from better... indoctrination is their tool of choice. they convince people it isn't, but it's not hidden at their teacher's conferences... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1866193' date='May 13 2009, 01:11 PM']perhaps you should attend a NEA conference. Then you will understand where I'm coming from better... indoctrination is their tool of choice. they convince people it isn't, but it's not hidden at their teacher's conferences...[/quote] Just because a public school is not teaching Catholicism does NOT mean the students are being "indoctrinated" against the Church. Public schools teach contraception in Sex Ed classes. However, they do NOT force it on students so much as they educate students about what it is. They also do NOT bash the Church. I have looked at the NEA Conference website before and I have seen programs pushing tolerance for all students, to eliminate bullying and other horrors that children can inflict upon other children. There is NO conspiracy here against the Roman Catholic Church and it drives me insane when people go looking for one. I am out of this conversation now before I become uncharitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1866198' date='May 13 2009, 12:28 PM']Just because a public school is not teaching Catholicism does NOT mean the students are being "indoctrinated" against the Church. Public schools teach contraception in Sex Ed classes. However, they do NOT force it on students so much as they educate students about what it is. They also do NOT bash the Church. I have looked at the NEA Conference website before and I have seen programs pushing tolerance for all students, to eliminate bullying and other horrors that children can inflict upon other children. There is NO conspiracy here against the Roman Catholic Church and it drives me insane when people go looking for one. I am out of this conversation now before I become uncharitable.[/quote] um...i never said if a public school isnt' teaching catechism it had something against the Church... i also didn't even mention Church at all.... also, you have proven my point. planned parenthood isn't concerned about anyone. and i find it odd that they would be sooo welcomed in the public schools to push their agenda. if you truly believe that safe sex is indeed somehow beneficial for students to learn, then their indoctrination has been succesful. Religion aside, "safe sex" is dangerous, and promotes an unhealthy sexual lifestyle of promiscuity. i admire you for standing up for your public school education, perhaps your school is unique, but it certainly isn't the norm.. also, i don't consider anything you've said to be uncharitable in any way.. in regards to the OP, i support Alan Keyes and the other pro-life protesters and find nothing odd or weird about their means of protesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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