Pornagraphy, Major Problem

[Callidius]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1874624' date='May 24 2009, 10:59 PM']Lol.

Well on and off I had a crush on this girl from grade five until grade ten. That went quite badly, but I learned a lot about myself and about relationships, so it was a good thing in the end.
At the time, it was awful, but that was only temporary...... [/quote]

No Really in fact I personally think that it might [with me] last. I'm in 7th grade right now so 7 years is a pretty long time, Just be careful because she might back stab you

PS: God obviously had an effect on this thread because instead of sexual sins we are talking about innocent love, [b]Innocence > Sin [/b]

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Callidius' post='1874633' date='May 24 2009, 10:13 PM']No Really in fact I personally think that it might [with me] last. I'm in 7th grade right now so 7 years is a pretty long time, Just be careful because she might back stab you [/quote]
Just so you know, about 95% of kids your age have said something pretty similar at some time or another. Don't be shocked if you're wrong.
Not to rain on your parade or anything.
I had definitely felt the same way.

[quote name='Callidius' post='1874633' date='May 24 2009, 10:13 PM']PS: God obviously had an effect on this thread because instead of sexual sins we are talking about innocent love, [b]Innocence > Sin [/b][/quote]
I agree.

[Callidius]

[quote name='Church Punk' post='1874632' date='May 24 2009, 11:10 PM']Lust is a sin/ temptation is best dealt with by running, not fighting. Id say the minute you try to fight you already begin to be drawn into sin.

In particular I have found it useful to focus on the passion of Christ while under lustful temptations and thoughts, and use mortification to direct your thoughts on what is holy. For instance, I find that I am able to resist easier if I have been fasting or have not eaten in a little bit. Or if I offer up any type of suffering I may endure during the day. Sometimes I will offer a workout or run up as a form of mortification to keep the body in check.

It takes training. LOTS of training. I like to think of it almost like a spiritual version of Navy SEAL training to over come lustfulness. hahahha[/quote]

Good point I have heard of "Mortification of the senses" and yes UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS STYLE, SIR YES SIR!!!

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1874593' date='May 24 2009, 10:21 PM']"Chastity is one of those virtues best acquired when thought about as little as possible"[/quote]

[Callidius]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1874634' date='May 24 2009, 11:15 PM']Just so you know, about 95% of kids your age have said something pretty similar at some time or another. Don't be shocked if you're wrong.
Not to rain on your parade or anything.
I had definitely felt the same way.


I agree. [/quote]

what about the other 5%???

[Callidius]

Not really a parade but more like deep dark secret

Edited May 25, 2009 by Callidius

[Callidius]

[color="#FF0000"][size=3]WARNING: If I say anymore I will have to kill you all [/size][/color]

[HisChildForever]

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Callidius' post='1874637' date='May 24 2009, 10:17 PM']what about the other 5%??? [/quote]
The other 5% never say it, but they're thinking it.

.......and out of that 100%, I'd fathom a guess that about 0.000000000001% are correct.

[Vincent Vega]

Welcome to Phatmass!
For your own sake, as other have advised, do not preoccupy yourself with these things - in my opinion, the less you know of these things, the better. Myself, like many, many others, found out about these sort of things at your age, and did not have the maturity or presence of mind to avoid them, and they've affected us for the worse. Moreover, once you get into these types of things, it's verrrrry hard to quit, and it's terrible for your well being and your relationship with God.
For your own sake, don't devote much time to these sorts of things - this energy could certainly be used more effectively for good.
I'll be praying for you to retain your innocence for as long as possible.
Pax Christi,
Mitch

[Callidius]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1874650' date='May 24 2009, 11:41 PM']Welcome to Phatmass!
For your own sake, as other have advised, do not preoccupy yourself with these things - in my opinion, the less you know of these things, the better. Myself, like many, many others, found out about these sort of things at your age, and did not have the maturity or presence of mind to avoid them, and they've affected us for the worse. Moreover, once you get into these types of things, it's verrrrry hard to quit, and it's terrible for your well being and your relationship with God.
For your own sake, don't devote much time to these sorts of things - this energy could certainly be used more effectively for good.
I'll be praying for you to retain your innocence for as long as possible.
Pax Christi,
Mitch[/quote]

I'm not actually interested in doing these things [Sinful acts] but rather I am talking about these things AS SIN not that I like them. Sin a hideous abomination of the devil, I'll be praying that me and everyone on here retains there innocence for as long as they live.

[Callidius]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1874644' date='May 24 2009, 11:32 PM'][/quote]

what did I do???

Edited May 25, 2009 by Callidius

[Callidius]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1874647' date='May 24 2009, 11:35 PM']The other 5% never say it, but they're thinking it.

.......and out of that 100%, I'd fathom a guess that about 0.000000000001% are correct. [/quote]

1X10-12 in scientific notation

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Callidius' post='1874653' date='May 24 2009, 10:47 PM']I'm not actually interested in doing these things [Sinful acts] but rather I am talking about these things AS SIN not that I like them. Sin a hideous abomination of the devil, I'll be praying that me and everyone on here retains there innocence for as long as they live.[/quote]
I realise. However, you've made it clear that you know little about this sort of thing. You're still very young (and I don't mean any of this as being insulting or offensive or anything), and as you mature, you'll find these fun little buggers called hormones make things a little different.
My advice is this - it will be far, far more fruitful and less dangerous to you to turn your mind toward aspiring to holiness and thinking things which are pure than to look back at the devil's snares as a precaution to avoiding them. I promise that being prayerful and thinking about the better side is going to do you much more good than trying to avoid these evils by talking and learning more about them.

[Pauly Walnuts]

[quote name='Callidius' post='1874183' date='May 24 2009, 12:13 AM']It is one of the major problems on the internet and takes some pretty advanced procedures to even just help avoid it. Its everywhere you could search for anything and without the proper protection you will find it. The motives of these "cyber-criminals" is unknown. I personally think these are kids who have not grown up and show complete disregard for morality. It also strips the holiness and dignity from marriage. Here we discuss this issue and how to solve it. I have been exposed to this before and is a GREAT grace not to be exposed to it.[/quote]


I havent read any other posts but this one but, as a person who struggles greatly with this, I just dont know what to do when im so lonely. ( Im am NOT supporting it in any way!!! Hate it a lot )

Edited May 25, 2009 by Pauly Walnuts

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1874593' date='May 24 2009, 11:21 PM']"Chastity is one of those virtues best acquired when thought about as little as possible"[/quote]

I like that... or, one might say, chastity is one of those things found when you quit looking.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='Callidius' post='1874183' date='May 24 2009, 01:13 AM']It is one of the major problems on the internet and takes some pretty advanced procedures to even just help avoid it. Its everywhere you could search for anything and without the proper protection you will find it. The motives of these "cyber-criminals" is unknown. I personally think these are kids who have not grown up and show complete disregard for morality. It also strips the holiness and dignity from marriage. Here we discuss this issue and how to solve it. I have been exposed to this before and is a GREAT grace not to be exposed to it.[/quote]

Accountability. Confession. Scripture. Prayer.

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Accountability. Confession. Scripture. Prayer.

Accountability. Confession. Scripture. Prayer.

Accountability. Confession. Scripture. Prayer.

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[Innocent]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1874686' date='May 25 2009, 10:51 AM']I realise. However, you've made it clear that you know little about this sort of thing. You're still very young (and I don't mean any of this as being insulting or offensive or anything), and as you mature, you'll find these fun little buggers called hormones make things a little different.
My advice is this - it will be far, far more fruitful and less dangerous to you to turn your mind toward aspiring to holiness and thinking things which are pure than to look back at the devil's snares as a precaution to avoiding them. I promise that being prayerful and thinking about the better side is going to do you much more good than trying to avoid these evils by talking and learning more about them.[/quote]

I second that advice.



Callidius, if you are already struggling with pornography use, it would make sense to discuss the problem of pornography. But since that is not the case, you would be better off focusing on the positive side (i.e., love as a virtue) rather than the side to be avoided (i.e., pornography and various aspects of the problem of pornography.)

It's important to remember that most, if not all, cases of pornography use and addiction start out with simple curiosity* being the first stage. There have been even cases of people helping government agencies to monitor pornography (for the purpose of taking action against pornographers) succumbing to the lure of pornography and becoming consumers of porn themselves. The reason for this is that in spite of our best intentions, we can be unprepared for the intensity of the response of our own biology working against our will, when we have our first exposure to pornography. Our nervous system and hormones are such that it's quite easy for them to powerfully override the will, if the will is unprepared for the serious struggle involved in resisting these strong impulses.

I would suggest, if you have the habit of reading books, reading novels that depict (in a realistic way) virtuous love and marriage. (Some examples are the Jane Austen novels [though there is a general impression that these are not "books for boys," they actually depict relationships based on virtuous love quite well] or books like Little Women and it's sequels. It is true that the societal structure of these books might seem a bit dated at the first read. I'm not aware of any modern novels that are similar to these, perhaps others might know. But if you acquire the taste for it, you can even enjoy the period flavour of its "datedness.")

*[url="http://www.arlingtondiocese.org/documents/0105StagesofAddiction.doc"]Stages of Addiction to Pornography [.doc] [/url]- Document from Arlington Diocese website.

[Galloglasses' Alt]

[quote name='Callidius' post='1874554' date='May 24 2009, 09:17 PM']PS: Are you British?[/quote]
Nein.

Irish. =]

[Callidius]

[quote name='Innocent' post='1874737' date='May 25 2009, 01:45 AM']I second that advice.



Callidius, if you are already struggling with pornography use, it would make sense to discuss the problem of pornography. But since that is not the case, you would be better off focusing on the positive side (i.e., love as a virtue) rather than the side to be avoided (i.e., pornography and various aspects of the problem of pornography.)

It's important to remember that most, if not all, cases of pornography use and addiction start out with simple curiosity* being the first stage. There have been even cases of people helping government agencies to monitor pornography (for the purpose of taking action against pornographers) succumbing to the lure of pornography and becoming consumers of porn themselves. The reason for this is that in spite of our best intentions, we can be unprepared for the intensity of the response of our own biology working against our will, when we have our first exposure to pornography. Our nervous system and hormones are such that it's quite easy for them to powerfully override the will, if the will is unprepared for the serious struggle involved in resisting these strong impulses.

I would suggest, if you have the habit of reading books, reading novels that depict (in a realistic way) virtuous love and marriage. (Some examples are the Jane Austen novels [though there is a general impression that these are not "books for boys," they actually depict relationships based on virtuous love quite well] or books like Little Women and it's sequels. It is true that the societal structure of these books might seem a bit dated at the first read. I'm not aware of any modern novels that are similar to these, perhaps others might know. But if you acquire the taste for it, you can even enjoy the period flavour of its "datedness.")

*[url="http://www.arlingtondiocese.org/documents/0105StagesofAddiction.doc"]Stages of Addiction to Pornography [.doc] [/url]- Document from Arlington Diocese website.[/quote]

I was only exposed to it once be accident. Now I make sure all the filters are maxed out and I am trying to find the prayer you say before connecting to the internet. Good point it doesn't make any sense to look at the dark side of anything because it will end up consuming you and take advantage of you, It would be like cussing a lion pride out but they are still going to eat you. Sorry wasn't thinking to well last night it was like midnight and I missed mass this morning. I haven't read any romance novels but before I read any large (500+ pages) books I am going to take a course on how to speed read, Some people can read so fast that they could read the book for half a second and be able to recite every word in the book (Wow). As for puberty I think i might have it slightly early because I am already growing a mustache and yes some one else said it takes a lot of training to resist these things he jokingly said like the NAVY SEAL.