Validly Confecting The Eucharist?

[StColette]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1877965' date='May 29 2009, 02:35 PM']Where have I said that a priest in mortal sin cannot celebrate the Eucharist validly?[/quote]

I think the reason hot stuff said that was because of the following (emphasis mine):

[quote]On the other hand, the predominant view among Eastern Orthodox theologians would be [b]that Fr. Cutie's celebration of the Eucharist (and also the other sacraments) would be invalid because in Orthodox theology grace is closely tied to the Church, which is the living body of Christ, and he is not a member of a true Orthodox Church.[/b][/quote]

The sentence can come across as saying that those not in the state of grace cannot validly celebrate Mass or the other Sacraments.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='StColette' post='1877969' date='May 29 2009, 12:42 PM'][quote name='Apotheoun' post='1877965' date='May 29 2009, 12:35 PM']Where have I said that a priest in mortal sin cannot celebrate the Eucharist validly?[/quote]
I think the reason Jaim[i]e[/i] said that was because of the following (emphasis mine):

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1877965' date='May 29 2009, 12:35 PM']On the other hand, the predominant view among Eastern Orthodox theologians would be that Fr. Cutie's celebration of the Eucharist (and also the other sacraments) would be invalid because in Orthodox theology grace is closely tied to the Church, which is the living body of Christ, and he is not a member of a true Orthodox Church.[/quote]

The sentence can come across as saying that those not in the state of grace cannot validly celebrate Mass or the other Sacraments.
[/quote]
The Eastern Orthodox Churches follow the sacramental doctrine of St. Cyprian, and not that of St. Augustine. Nevertheless, the Orthodox do not believe that a priest must be in a "state of grace," which itself is a concept that is foreign to Orthodoxy, in order to validly celebrate the Eucharist.

The personal holiness of a priest, or the lack thereof, does not have any impact on the validity of the celebration of a sacrament in the Orthodox tradition.

Edited May 29, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1877968' date='May 29 2009, 12:41 PM']I realize the church would consider it valid but not licit. I was speaking more to how I would feel. In my heart if something isn't licit it isn't valid either. I know that isn't theologically correct, but I don't store my theology books in my heart. Even if it was valid theologically, I certainly wouldn't attend.[/quote]
I think this is a matter of doctrine, and not [i]feelings[/i].

I have been to several Catholic Churches where I did not [i]feel[/i] God's presence -- for many reasons -- during the liturgical worship of a particular congregation, but I knew as a matter of faith that He was present in the Eucharistic celebration in spite of my [i]feelings[/i] to the contrary.