Is This Weird?

[saintwannabe 777]

I sometimes pray to aborted babies, alongside the saints I usually pray to. I feel connected to and feel that they are powerful intercessors for us and for the pro-life movement.

Edited June 1, 2009 by Lil Red

[Resurrexi]

I believe in Infant's Limbo, so I would say so

[saintwannabe 777]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879619' date='May 31 2009, 09:15 PM']I believe in Infant's Limbo, so I would say so [/quote]

I thought limbo was thrown out.
???

Edited June 1, 2009 by saintwannabe 777

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='saintwannabe 777' post='1879622' date='May 31 2009, 09:15 PM']I thought limbo was thrown out.
???[/quote]

Yeah..

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='saintwannabe 777' post='1879622' date='May 31 2009, 09:15 PM']I thought limbo was thrown out.
???[/quote]



The International Theological Commission has no magisterial authority. The document was merely a theological evaluation of what the Church has said on Infant's Limbo in the past.

Additionally, that Christ descended to the Limbo of the Fathers (distinct from Infant's Limbo, but called by the same name) is an infallible truth taught by the Church.

[saintwannabe 777]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879627' date='May 31 2009, 09:19 PM']

The International Theological Commission has no magisterial authority. The document was merely a theological evaluation of what the Church has said on Infant's Limbo in the past.

Additionally, that Christ descended to the Limbo of the Fathers (distinct from Infant's Limbo, but called by the same name) is an infallible truth taught by the Church.[/quote]

I see what you're saying, but I just don't see how Jesus could deny those who have been ripped apart and tortured on earth, happiness with him in the next. Obviously, baptism is a necessary sacrament for salvation, but couldn't Our Lord save them by some means we do not know?

[kafka]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879627' date='May 31 2009, 09:19 PM']

The International Theological Commission has no magisterial authority. The document was merely a theological evaluation of what the Church has said on Infant's Limbo in the past.

Additionally, that Christ descended to the Limbo of the Fathers (distinct from Infant's Limbo, but called by the same name) is an infallible truth taught by the Church.[/quote]
basically (in my theological opinion) the Limbo of the Fathers, and the Limbo of Infants is an upper fringe of Purgatory where the Fathers and the Infants undergo spiritual development culminating in an encounter with Jesus Christ before being assumed into Heaven.

[saintwannabe 777]

[quote name='kafka' post='1879636' date='May 31 2009, 09:23 PM']basically (in my theological opinion) the Limbo of the Fathers, and the Limbo of Infants is an upper fringe of Purgatory where the Fathers and the Infants undergo spiritual development culminating in an encounter with Jesus Christ before being assumed into Heaven.[/quote]

This is all speculative, but that would make sense. I hope I see my aborted little brothers and sisters when I go to Heaven.

Edited June 1, 2009 by saintwannabe 777

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879627' date='May 31 2009, 09:19 PM']

The International Theological Commission has no magisterial authority. The document was merely a theological evaluation of what the Church has said on Infant's Limbo in the past.

Additionally, that Christ descended to the Limbo of the Fathers (distinct from Infant's Limbo, but called by the same name) is an infallible truth taught by the Church.[/quote]

So was B16 wrong when he said:

[b] In the 1985 book-length interview, "The Ratzinger Report," the future Pope Benedict said, [u]"Limbo was never a defined truth of faith.[/u] Personally -- and here I am speaking more as a theologian and not as prefect of the congregation -- I would abandon it, since it was only a theological hypothesis.

"It formed part of a secondary thesis in support of a truth which is absolutely of first significance for faith, namely, the importance of baptism," he said. [/b]

Source: [url="http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0506867.htm"]http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0506867.htm[/url]

[kafka]

[quote name='saintwannabe 777' post='1879638' date='May 31 2009, 09:25 PM']This is all speculative, but that would make sense.[/quote]
yes it is, yet I think it is true.

[Resurrexi]

I am free to disagree with Cardinal Ratzinger's (as he was not yet Benedict XVI) private theological opinion. There was a Pope who, as a private theologian, denied that he was infallible as Pope (obviously this was before the definition of the dogma)

Edited June 1, 2009 by Resurrexi

[saintwannabe 777]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879652' date='May 31 2009, 09:29 PM']I am free to disagree with Cardinal Ratzinger's (as he was not yet Benedict XVI) private theological opinion. There was a Pope who, as a private theologian, denied that he was infallible as Pope (obviously this was before the definition of the dogma)[/quote]

Yeah you are my friend. But wouldn't you be happy to see the aborted in heaven?

[Resurrexi]

If you look at different magisterial decrees, the statements in favor of Infant's Limbo are stronger and more frequent than those against it.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879652' date='May 31 2009, 09:29 PM']I am free to disagree with Cardinal Ratzinger's (as he was not yet Benedict XVI) private theological opinion. There was a Pope who, as a private theologian, denied that he was infallible as Pope (obviously this was before the definition of the dogma)[/quote]

BEFORE he gave his opinion, he stated: "Limbo was never a defined truth of faith." Seems more of a fact rather than an opinion.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='saintwannabe 777' post='1879656' date='May 31 2009, 09:30 PM']Yeah you are my friend. But wouldn't you be happy to see the aborted in heaven?[/quote]

Certainly, but I also understand the necessity of Baptism.

[saintwannabe 777]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879657' date='May 31 2009, 09:30 PM']If you look at different magisterial decrees, the statements in favor of Infant's Limbo are stronger and more frequent than those against it.[/quote]

But my big problem with it, is that I don't see how God would deny Himself to His children who through no fault of their own do not know Him. It's just like the concept of Natural Law and how people who have never heard of Jesus and His church can get to Heaven as long as they follow the natural law on their hearts.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1879659' date='May 31 2009, 09:31 PM']BEFORE he gave his opinion, he stated: "Limbo was never a defined truth of faith." Seems more of a fact rather than an opinion.[/quote]

If Cardinal Ratzinger had wanted to make an authoritative statement as prefect of the CDF, we would have written a document, signed it, and got the Pope to approve it.

[mamalove]

I pray that they forgive us for not doing enough and for our silence.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879666' date='May 31 2009, 09:33 PM']If Cardinal Ratzinger had wanted to make an authoritative statement as prefect of the CDF, we would have written a document, signed it, and got the Pope to approve it.[/quote]

Why is it to hard to believe that he was stating FACT? Does every Church leader who cites FACT need the "okay" from the Pope in order to speak it?

[b] Although Catholics have long believed that children who die without being baptized are with original sin and thus excluded from heaven, the church has no formal doctrine on the matter. [/b]

Source: [url="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267420,00.html"]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267420,00.html[/url]

[saintwannabe 777]

[quote name='mamalove' post='1879667' date='May 31 2009, 09:33 PM']I pray that they forgive us for not doing enough and for our silence.[/quote]

I believe they have and our praying for us to stand up and to liberate their little brothers and sisters.