Brother Vinny Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) Okay, all this thinking about should do's and might have been's surrounding the recent slaughter of a abortionist has struck up comparisons to Hitler and Mengele, but I'd like to look at this from another angle. We tend to condemn these as monsters (justifiably so), but we look at these two enjoying the enhanced vision granted us by history. Let's look at another murderer of innocents, one Saul of Tarsus. Saul mercilessly persecuted the Church, presiding over the stoning of St. Stephen, the first Christian martyr. There's not much written about how far Saul went in his persecution of the Church, but we have his inspired testimony that he was intent on destroying the Church (Galatians 1:13). So, the question is this: prior to Saul's Damascus Road experience, would a Christian have been justified in slaughtering him? After all, there was no way of knowing Saul would convert, and not only did Saul kill innocents, he profited from it as well (as it was his job). Killing Saul at the right time would've saved lives, as well. If you cannot justify killing Saul, how can you justify killing Tiller? Edited June 9, 2009 by Brother Vinny
Vincent Vega Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 Exactly. Norma McCorvey (Roe of Roe v. Wade) is now a vehement pro-lifer - you never know when God is going to work in people.
Brother Vinny Posted June 9, 2009 Author Posted June 9, 2009 I came to realize after thinking about the issue, that my frustration betrays a lack of trust in the One Who is in control of all things. He sees the ends whereas I do not. God may yet have had use for George Tiller; maybe his own "Damascus Road" experience was just a few hours away. What kind of servant of God do you think he might have become had God opened his eyes to the suffering he'd caused? We'll never know now, will we?
Guest Jon Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 [quote name='Brother Vinny' post='1886910' date='Jun 8 2009, 11:13 PM']I came to realize after thinking about the issue, that my frustration betrays a lack of trust in the One Who is in control of all things. He sees the ends whereas I do not. God may yet have had use for George Tiller; maybe his own "Damascus Road" experience was just a few hours away. What kind of servant of God do you think he might have become had God opened his eyes to the suffering he'd caused? We'll never know now, will we?[/quote] Great realization, Brother Vinny - thank you for letting us in on it -it came from God I'm sure. God Bless, Jon
Hassan Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Brother Vinny' post='1886910' date='Jun 9 2009, 12:13 AM']I came to realize after thinking about the issue, that my frustration betrays a lack of trust in the One Who is in control of all things. He sees the ends whereas I do not.[/quote] Well thank you And needless to say I agree.
Nihil Obstat Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1887517' date='Jun 9 2009, 10:29 PM']Well thank you And needless to say I agree.[/quote] I THOUGHT YOU WERE DETOXING, RUSH!!! These mad delusions must cease.
Brother Vinny Posted June 10, 2009 Author Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1887459' date='Jun 9 2009, 09:46 PM']This is a good thread.[/quote] It'd be better if its GoH would show up.
Hassan Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1887550' date='Jun 9 2009, 11:02 PM']I THOUGHT YOU WERE DETOXING, RUSH!!! These mad delusions must cease.[/quote] Why would a Glorious Sultan need to detox?
philothea Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Brother Vinny' post='1886834' date='Jun 8 2009, 10:41 PM']Let's look at another murderer of innocents, one Saul of Tarsus. Saul mercilessly persecuted the Church, presiding over the stoning of St. Stephen, the first Christian martyr. There's not much written about how far Saul went in his persecution of the Church, but we have his inspired testimony that he was intent on destroying the Church (Galatians 1:13). So, the question is this: prior to Saul's Damascus Road experience, would a Christian have been justified in slaughtering him? After all, there was no way of knowing Saul would convert, and not only did Saul kill innocents, he profited from it as well (as it was his job). Killing Saul at the right time would've saved lives, as well. If you cannot justify killing Saul, how can you justify killing Tiller?[/quote] Fabulous.
Resurrexi Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1887568' date='Jun 10 2009, 12:18 AM'] Why would a Glorious Sultan need to detox? [/quote] I thought you claimed yourself no longer to be the Sultan...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1887685' date='Jun 10 2009, 08:34 AM']I thought you claimed yourself no longer to be the Sultan... [/quote] That was the half sober/clean secret Rush Limbaugh (who had a measure of sanity). This one is so whacked out on Oxycontin he doesn't actually know what he is.
VoTeckam Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 I think the true measure of this thread is not who has responded but who seems to have stayed away.... very interesting.
Brother Vinny Posted June 14, 2009 Author Posted June 14, 2009 This thread languishes in relative obscurity, while the Mengele thread blossoms. Surely those who I'd intended to see the thread have already done so, and yet, we see no one who'd say an early (pre-Pauline) Christian would have been justified in killing Saul.
Patrick Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 [quote name='Brother Vinny' post='1890467' date='Jun 14 2009, 02:25 PM']This thread languishes in relative obscurity, while the Mengele thread blossoms. Surely those who I'd intended to see the thread have already done so, and yet, we see no one who'd say an early (pre-Pauline) Christian would have been justified in killing Saul.[/quote] I don't think an early Christian would have been justified in killing Saul. Jesus brings the message "Bless those who persecute you, pray for those who abuse you." "Pray for your enemies". "Love your enemies." "Turn the other cheek." And, effectively, let them kill you before you them (by Christ's example). I cannot see, in light of Jesus' teachings, how a Christian could be justified in killing Saul.
Nihil Obstat Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 [quote name='Patrick' post='1893501' date='Jun 16 2009, 04:44 PM']I don't think an early Christian would have been justified in killing Saul. Jesus brings the message "Bless those who persecute you, pray for those who abuse you." "Pray for your enemies". "Love your enemies." "Turn the other cheek." And, effectively, let them kill you before you them (by Christ's example). I cannot see, in light of Jesus' teachings, how a Christian could be justified in killing Saul.[/quote] You missed by just a couple days the lovely discussion on whether or not we need to go murder abortionists...
Patrick Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1893646' date='Jun 16 2009, 05:30 PM']You missed by just a couple days the lovely discussion on whether or not we need to go murder abortionists...[/quote] LOL! Well, my objective isn't to post in [i]every[/i] thread on PM...
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